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Wrong Law, Wrong Time?
After Fox News analysts spent most of Friday defending Arizona's bill to target illegal immigrants, Judge Andrew Napolitano offered a different take on the controversial measure. When asked about Gov. Jan Brewer, Napolitano said her signing of the bill into law will have disastrous consequences ... Napolitano: She's gonna bankrupt the Republican Party and the state of Arizona. Look at what happened to the Republicans in California with the proposition – ... Cavuto: What happens? ... Napolitano: Ah, Hispanics — who have a natural home in the Republican Party because they are socially conservative — will flee in droves. She's also gonna bankrupt her state, because no insurance company will provide coverage for this. And for all the lawsuits that will happen — for all the people that are wrongfully stopped — her budget will be paying for it. Her budget will be paying the legal bills of the lawyers who sue on behalf of those that were stopped. – Raw Story
Dominant Social Theme: The wrong law at the wrong time.
Free-Market Analysis: The above article is excerpted from the alternative news site Raw Story. While there are plenty of mainstream news stories about this issue, we are focusing our analysis on Raw Story because of their most interesting reporting of Judge Andrew Napolitano's perspective.
We ordinarily take a back seat to no one in our admiration for libertarian Judge Andrew Napolitano, the most decent commentator on American television (in our opinion) except for those times when Congressman Ron Paul (R-Tex) is himself broadcasting over the tube. But from our humble point of view Napolitano is not adding much clarity to the immigration debate by making these points. He is looking at the law from a political perspective when it might be more useful to examine it from a libertarian one.
Of course this is difficult. To begin with the immigration debate is muddy indeed as it depends in Western societies, anyway, on state action. To determine a libertarian position, one must reduce immigration to its basic essentials, which is difficult to do given the overlays of politics and raw passion that the issue commands. Napolitano, in this situation anyway, is attempting to place it in a strategic perspective. But we would humbly submit these sorts of analyses only make the confusion worse. Here's some more from the article:
The new law, which will take effect in late July or early August, was cheered by many, including Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, whose tough crackdowns have made him a hero in the anti-illegal immigration community. He said it gives him new authority to detain undocumented migrants who aren't accused of committing any other crimes. "Now if we show they're illegal, we can actually arrest them and put them in our jails," Arpaio said. Critics claim the bill will effectively encourage racial profiling. President Barack Obama branded it "misguided." Hispanic groups across the country tend to agree with Napolitano's assessment of the bill.
Despite Raw Story's often-courageous take on the news, this report falls into the usual grooves of immigration reporting in the United States. The debate tends to be polarized, with Republicans insisting on enforcing existing laws – that are actually enforced only irregularly – and Democrats accusing Republicans of racism. In fact, Republicans may want to keep South and Central American immigration controlled because of perceived negative impacts on the electoral balance in the states. Likewise, Democrats want to expand South and Central American immigration because they believe the influx of workers will inevitably add to their electoral base.
But as we indicated above, there is another way to look at immigration which is market-based. If one begins with the idea that property ought to be privatized, then much of the confusion over the issue falls away. In fact, employers should be the ones making immigration decisions, not politicians. If employers want to provide work to immigrants, then those to whom the offer of work is extended ought to have the ability to take advantage of that employment.
The corollary to this is that the state ought not to extend benefits to immigrants. If no further work is available, then immigrants would have to move on or face the prospect of living on the most meager or resources. This would have additional benefits as well, as immigrants would tend to congregate in areas where employment was available – rather than in regions where the most generous state benefits were to be had. Market-based immigration would drain the issue of a great deal of emotion as well. No one could complain about immigrants "stealing" jobs if the employment opportunities were freely made and accepted.
Immigration is one of the most politicized issues of the modern nation-state. We would have preferred if Napolitano had offered up a libertarian position rather than a political one, as this sort of analysis only further reinforces people's perception that the state – rather than the market – ought to decide where people should live. But in fact people should be able to live where they can make an effective living without taking advantage of state-offered welfare largesse. In fact, welfare ought to not to be offered as a general rule. In a libertarian, free-market society, the community, especially religious institutions, would take care of the indigent. This has worked in the past, and worked well.
Conclusion: Along with private money and a competition-based economy (versus a regulatory, rent-seeking one) privately controlled immigration is an important building block. That these issues are seldom discussed let alone seriously considered is an indication of how far America still has to go to return to its free-market roots.
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Posted by Skrag on 04/29/10 07:31 PM
See below. and keep up the good work.
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By William Norman Griggs
"The seminal error is to insist on exceptions to the principle that government - assuming, of course, that one should be permitted to exist - must be strictly limited to protecting the life, liberty, and property of every individual.
"When that error is coupled with a fertile topic of public concern - such as terrorism, drug addiction, child abuse, or illegal immigration - politics becomes pregnant with large-scale abuses of individual rights.
"Supporters of the Arizona immigration law define the controversy as an issue of "sovereignty" - preservation of Arizona's reserved powers under the Tenth Amendment and the national independence of the United States. Political sovereignty, valuable as it is, must be regarded as a "good of second intent" - something that, while of great worth, is derivative of, or subordinate to, a much greater good. The paramount political good, according to America's founding premise, is individual liberty protected by law.
"In dealing with immigration, as with all other matters of public concern, government's only legitimate role is to protect individual rights against criminal aggression - such as crimes of violence, fraud, or trespassing on private property.
"Current policy, however, is to abet and reward aggression in the form of participatory plunder by illegal immigrants by way of welfare subsidies, which obviously have to be abolished (and not just for immigrants, but for everyone - beginning with the corporate welfare whores on Wall Street and in the military-industrial-homeland security complex)."
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Thanks, he's very smart.
Posted by Bill Wolf on 04/29/10 01:17 PM
Who are they expecting at the border, Eskimos, it is going to be 99% people from Central American countries, we can not absorb in to our system at one time so many that look to America for a better life, because they will bring the quality done by having so many tax the sytem at one time.
This why we have a law set in place, so we only allow so many legal immagrants from each country, so we do not kill the goose that lays the golden egg.
Posted by John Acord on 04/29/10 08:41 AM
That is, their existence is a drain upon that society. In the United States this extends to entire racial classifications. One example would be that driver insurance rates could be cut in half if adults of African ancestry were excluded from possessing drivers permits.
In a truly free market they would not be all allowed insurance and could therefor not operate vehicles. Likewise, the poor wretches pouring across our borders are escaping the indescribable poverty and violence that envelopes Mexico. The wholly corrupt corporate state of Mexico cannot support its population and must dispose annually of millions of disaffected peasants.
This is not an issue that the free market can solve. It is a racial, cultural, political issue that requires aggressive actions on the part of the American state to extend free-market capitalism to Mexico by the use of either overwhelming persuasion or force, if necessary. Of course, this solution must await the overthrow of BHO (aka "The Agitator In Chief")and his Bolshevik minions.
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Thanks for the informed post. We respectfully disagree in the idea of "market failure." Hypothetically, anyway, markets don't fail, and the market would likely work out immigration too, in a fully free-market environment.
Posted by John Acord on 04/29/10 08:18 AM
I dare say that George Bernard Shaw once wrote a particularly erudite study that established that many races and classes of mankind simply are not equipped to contribute meaningfully to the aggrandisement of their society.
That is, their existence is a drain upon that society. In the United States this extends to entire racial classifications. One example would be that driver insurance rates could be cut in half if adults of African ancestry were excluded from possessing drivers permits. In a truly free market they would not be all allowed insurance and could therefor not operate vehicles. Likewise, the poor wretches pouring across our borders are escaping the indescribable poverty and violence that envelopes Mexico.
The wholly corrupt corporate state of Mexico cannot support its population and must dispose annually of millions of disaffected peasants. This is not an issue that the free market can solve. It is a racial, cultural, political issue that requires aggressive actions on the part of the American state to extend freemarket capitalism to Mexico by the use of either overwhelming persuasion or force, if necessary. Of course, this solution must await the overthrow of BHO (aka "The Agitator In Chief")and his Bolshevik minions.
Posted by Forrest Anderson on 04/29/10 04:29 AM
Next, the U.S. will seek Puerto Rico as the 51st state, and we will be overwhelmed on both coasts by a culture that does not respect our laws, nor wish to become a part of the American Melting Pot, just as our government no longer follows the US Constitution, but are bought and paid for by the powers that be.
I wonder if Australia would accept this Californian who is tired of the propaganda, and the continuous lies being told us by the Lame Stream Media. I wish the press and the government joy in each other, since no one else can tolerate them.
Posted by Bob Buhr on 04/28/10 11:58 PM
I am in favor of immigration through legal channels. Unfortunately our top heavy bureaucratic government makes the legal process too slow to allow employers to employ sufficient numbers of legal immigrants. Thus the free market develops to absorb illegal immigrants. They get a better shot at employment than they would have in their native lands.
As long as this disparity exists, both in slow government processing and in great differences in opportunity, they will continue to come. This law will not make much difference. You may as well try to stop the Mississippi River with your bare hands. the bigger question remains regarding how to stop the criminal activity by allowing criminals to migrate into the US.
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When you criminalize something, you always end up with criminals. To the fullest extent, immigration should play out in a free market. Of course, that is difficult. ...
Posted by The Gimlet Eye on 04/28/10 08:00 PM
Most of these people are dirt poor and totally uneducated. They cannot quit their homelands and come here and stay afloat in this society without extensive help, i.e., public assistance.
On the other hand, the taxpayers CANNOT afford to continue to supplement their income. Something has to give, and soon. Certainly, the welfare state spigot must be shut off, or at some point it is going to shut itself off. Once they know that the streets are not lined with gold and that the U.S. is not Disneyland, things will change.
Posted by Weeble on 04/28/10 07:54 PM
Ron Paul is the only one of the government ilk that is as straight as an arrow on all topics. I have not kept up with Napolitano on a regular basis, as he tends to contradict himself here and there (sure sign of a politician). I only hope that if Ron Paul gets into power, he does not "Wesley Mouch" on the US.
Luckily, I am on a hilltop in Canada looking down on the mess over there.
Free movement of people was lost, around WW1 (passport enforcement). See:
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Passports maintain captivity within your borders. Read Don Quixote for a better understanding of free movement of people.
The Power Elite, as you call them, want us to stay busy with our heads down, solving problems while they create others.
Why bother with immigration laws in AZ. Isn't it helping the system crash, to further the freedom cause, hence, peace? I guess we can only count of the coming hyperinflation to expose the 1 1=3 (fiat) equation for what it really is.
Hey, you need a building permit for those thoughts.
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Interesting insights into passports, thanks.
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Posted by Beverlee on 04/28/10 05:07 PM
Judge Napolitano's analysis is absolutely correct from a political standpoint. and was intended as a secondary reason to dislike this law for those whose minds cannot accept the obvious.
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We just thought the missed a chance to educate, assuming he is in favor of a libertarian position.
Posted by Donald B. on 04/28/10 04:13 PM
And speaking of births, maybe President Obama will visit Arizona and Sheriff Joe Arpaio can make him show HIS birth certificate.
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Never happen.
Posted by JSlater on 04/28/10 02:43 PM
Non-Interventionist State True Free Market Economy Government Existing to Defend Individual Liberty = Immigration Nightmare virtually vanishes (among many other vanishing problems).
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Agreed.
Posted by Denis Jaisson on 04/28/10 02:39 PM
But why should the American employees not make the immigration decisions, or at least be involved in the decision process? Why should the immigration market belong so to speak - to the employers rather than to the employees?
The latter are the sole victims of a system where the employers can lower the wages by increasing the offer for manpower - the immigration - when the demand for money on the part of the local workers suits them not an everyday?s complaint!
One might object that, should the immigration market be controlled by the employees, all of the employees of the world ought to partake in this control; nothing new for those who are familiar with the "world citizen" culture promoted by the Democrats.
One needs not teach the Bell's readers about the false opposition between the two sides of a single establishment - the Republicans and the Democrats who serve not the workers but the financial elite.
But as the Bell is pointing at an apparent divergence between these two sides on the subject of immigration, one ought to wonder here, whether this culture was developed for the purpose of engineering consent - Edward Bernays' technique; the employees were to be morally disarmed and made to accept the competition from foreign workers who would take their jobs for less money?
Engineering this consent in France, where I was born, was the task of the SOS-Racism organisation. The latter turned patriotism - one aspect of which is the social protection of the local employees against the international competition for work - into racism.
As a result, this competition became more intense in France around the time when SOS-Racism was set up by the French Democrats - the "Parti Socialiste" who had given up Socialism for the human rights mania.
Posted by Dean on 04/28/10 02:14 PM
When is the RIGHT time to abide by the US Immigration Laws???
The Arizona Immigration Law is copied from and is the same as the US Immigration Law and the penalities are the same. This Law give local authority to the law enforcment agencies in Arizona to enforce immigration laws the Federal Government fails to enforce.
The Federal Government has the Responsibility to protect the US borders from any aliens illegally entering into the United States.
The US government has refused to do this. The Arizona Border is a sieve with anyone who chooses to enter the US illegally to do so, no matter the reason they enter.
Police officers have been killed, home invasions, a rancher in southern Arizona killed, drug cartels using Arizona as a doorway for their products and shooting anyone that gets in their way, and numerous other crimes performed by illegal aliens. Still the Federal Government does nothing to protect the US and Arizona citizens.
With the statement "The wrong law at the wrong time" I differ with but if you insist, then when is the right time to enforce our immigration laws?
When the Arizona problems migrate to other states and those states get fed up with the US Government not doing what it is responsible for, protecting us, will that be the right time? We are a collection of individual states each with rights to take the steps necessary to protect and do the best for their citizens in all areas, from the Federal Government's actions or non-actions. Arizona is and I hope will continue this process whenever necessary.
Posted by Jim Welsh on 04/28/10 01:59 PM
Posted by Mark on 04/28/10 01:38 PM
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Here is the excerpt in question, in full, below. It obviously makes the point that immigration can benefit both parties politically, or that is the perception anyway. We don't think it's a contradiction so much as a perspective that the issue is not black-and-white, politically speaking. The real point of the article, of course, was something much different ...
"In fact, Republicans may want to keep South and Central American immigration controlled because of perceived negative impacts on the electoral balance in the states. Likewise, Democrats want to expand South and Central American immigration because they believe the influx of workers will inevitably add to their electoral base."
Posted by Lance E. Schultz on 04/28/10 12:50 PM
Governments incessant and relentless INTERVENTION into otherwise "Free" markets is the absolute ROOT CAUSE of all the temporal problems on earth. Government have severely deviated from their original prescriptive purpose: to protect the rights and property of its "voluntary" constituent assembly. Any actions and expressions of coersive intervening monopoly powers exercised by government into the natural free market beyond those specifically and legalistically authorized under the original United States Constitution is a clear violation of the intended purpose of said prescription.
"That a nation of free persons expect to remain free and that the singular functional purpose of a just and proper government is to protect their right to remain free. The right to remain "free" to CHOOSE. The Founders "worldview" rightly considered the only proper role of government and the only "positive" powers authorized under the Constitution rests singularly with its duty to provide for a [non-interventionists] defense and to provide for the protection of both individual human [God granted] rights and property rights through the justice system.
Our Founders rightly understood that "collective" rights do not and cannot exist in a free society. They viewed our representative republic as a government of the people (owned), by the people (represented) and for the people (to protect their individual rights) as the only moral temporal system necessary to man. They rightly considered taxation without representation an abomination and "equally" detested representation without [equal and just] apportioned [not distributive] taxation; an equally abominable and savage evil. Which is what we have today.
They viewed taxes and the size and scope of government as that "limited" to those functions and duties specifically authorized under the Constitution and required to provide for a national defense [wholly within our own borders] and to secure the protection of individual private property rights through a centralized common system of justice as proper to a limited decentralized government.
They declared emphatically that no man and no government has the right to feast on the flesh of another man. They viewed justice as equal protection under the law which anyone can see no longer exists in our government nor our "justice" system today. The REAL problem today is NOT immigration. The REAL problem today is government. If we were to place all world's 6.8 billion population into Texas, Texas would have a population density of about 25,300 people per square mile.
That's about the same population density of the five buroughs of New York City (not just Manhattan at about 67,000). Which brings us to the major argument against population control. People are a resource. People think, they work, they acquire skills, they solve problems, they invent things and they perform all kinds of actions which "produce" needed benefits for others. Had we not aborted 50 million defenseless babies, Medicare would not be doomed to bankruptcy and Social Security would still be considered viable.
Famine, poverty and war were never the functions of a world incapable of delivering a "finite" or "scarce" set of resources. Such heinous vacuous myths are complete and total lies. Famine, poverty, disease and war are all the direct consequence of direct government intervention into otherwise free markets and the only possible result of a system of government afflicted with the bloodlust disease of unchecked power designed only to control the whole world. If left alone in the freedom of mutual exchange under the Founders original formula America could sustain over 50 billion people with ease.
For the briefest of moments, as is clearly evidenced in the true historical account, mankind's greatest temporal achievement in the sum total of human history was realized as had been brilliantly conceived and prescribed by its Founders in America but how quickly the conquest of usurping power has eclipsed its greatness in the end.
Posted by Paul on 04/28/10 11:53 AM
The previous governor was so PC we couldn't even refer to them as illegal aliens, they had to be "undocumented workers", which we refer to as "undocumented democrats".
The crime in this state is very high, just watch our local news. Between the drug cartels, kidnappings, (Phoenix is the 2nd highest kidnapping city in the WORLD), the clogged school system, hospitals and prisons, the state is going broke. Last week the governor signed a bill allowing us to carry concealed guns without a permit so we can defend ourselves, as the criminals are already armed. What Bud Wood wrote earlier is correct, the old border went up to Salt Lake, and they think it still should, hence their motto: "we didn't cross the border, the border crossed us".
It must be stopped now if we have any chance of preserving our country. If you have any doubt, just look at what they did to the country they came from, it's a crap hole. Does anyone think they'll do this one any better?
Posted by IndianaJohn on 04/28/10 11:12 AM
Flooding our country with lower wage workers is complete stupidity,and worse.
Regime change in Mexico is the solution. We must help because the Mexican people can't do that for themselves.
Our army is in the wrong countrys.
Posted by James Downey on 04/28/10 10:52 AM
Accordingly, if an illegal alien is caught driving while intoxicated, then the officer has the right to check on that individual's legal status.
My advice to the illegals, be careful and adhere to our laws. They will then be permitted to produce anchor babies, consume our welfare benefits, by homes, get food assistance and lower educational costs. All the benefits that most legal Americans do not receive.
Perhaps if the Regime were to enforce immigration laws identical to Mexico's, we would not have this problem.
Posted by Ingo Bischoff on 04/28/10 10:47 AM
Through the immigration laws, the Nation preserves its culture. The entire immigration question should be seen in that light, rather than from the standpoint of regulating labor markets.
With a proper monetary system, and with government power and taxation resting at the local level, the economic opportunities in this country would only be limited by the supply of labor.
Who immigrates and who becomes a citizen on the other hand depends on how that person adds or helps to preserve the national culture. To use the immigration laws to manage a centrally controlled economy is totally wrong headed.
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