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Thursday, April 29, 2010 – by Staff Report

Sprott Asset Management CEO Eric Sprott is very long on gold and not very optimistic about cyclical metals like copper. "Gold looks better today than it ever did before," Sprott says, because of ongoing sovereign debt concerns in Greece and other "PIIGS" nations – Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece and Spain – as well as easy monetary policies across the globe. "Some of the smartest investors in the world" are bullish on gold, the Canadian hedge fund manager says. Tuesday, Gold for June delivery jumped $8.20 to settle at $1,162.20 an ounce on the Comex division of the New York Mercantile Exchange. Meanwhile, "I still have a deep, deep concern over leverage in the banking system," Sprott said, noting the inability of governments who are spending vast amounts of money to generate much growth in GDP. "There's been some excellent work done on how the marginal value of a government dollar spent is now negative," Sprott told CNBC. "We're not getting much bang for our buck, but we still own the buck at the end of the year." Sprott says his hedge fund's newly launched physical gold trust ETF (which trades under the ticker symbol PHYS) is superior to other gold funds because investors can redeem their shares for physical gold. Also, the counterparty for the PHYS is the Royal Canadian mint, rather than a "levered financial institution" and capital gains are taxed at 15 percent because it is considered a collectible. – MoneyNews

Dominant Social Theme: Gold is good.

Free-Market Analysis: We agree with Eric Sprott about gold, or at least as his comments are reported in the above excerpted article. And of course we take into account that his optimism is colored by his launch of a gold hedge fund with a perceived superiority because investors can redeem their shares for physical gold. We would only point out that one might think of buying physical gold to begin with and taking delivery – thus short-circuiting the necessity of buying an ETF at all.

But let us focus on his comments rather than the product. In fact, the value of this article, and Sprott's metals opinion from our perspective, is that it reinforces yet again a point of view that is becoming clearer as the 2000s evolve. The perspective, certainly one taken by hard-money free-market thinking types, is that Western countries, in extremis when it comes to the economy, don't seem all that concerned institutionally with cutting public expenditures. Yes, certainly we've heard a lot of talk from Europe about it, and Britain and America, too. But it doesn't seem to be happening.

We have our doubts, in fact, that Europe is going to be able to impose any sort of stringent cost-cutting on Greece, Spain, Italy, etc. The people in these countries have figured out how to live and prosper within a fiat-money environment by spreading the pain. The public sector, and portions of the private sector as well, are advantaged by public largesse. When the profligacy gets too great, a devaluation occurs, which spreads the pain to all, especially large creditors, and the dance continues. But without the ability (in the EU, anyway) to devalue, the PIG countries may face considerable unrest.

We tend to question the shape the West is in generally, however. The lynchpin consumer, America, is not buying anymore, or not the way it was. Europe's pre-eminent exporter, Germany, exports to the PIGs among others, but as the PIGs go through their crises, one wonders where Germany will find the markets to keep up the pace. The same question could be asked of China and Japan. China's leaders have indicated that China will look inward for increased consumerism. We wonder where Japan will look.

We keep bumping up against the same issue over and over. Where is the growth going to come from? Western analysts of the fiat-money variety tend to see the "sovereign crisis" as part two of the ongoing financial crisis, but we see it as a continuum, not in parts. As we have written before, the current fiat money system virtually collapsed two years ago of its own weight. The economic malformation of Western economies was so great that the system could not take it anymore. Instead of allowing economies to shed the mal-investments, central bankers have simply printed more money and papered over the problem. This may well have terrible results in the future.

What's coming on down the line? We think that, unlike the 1970s, leaders of Western economies may not have the will or the political capital to launch severe cost-cutting campaigns. This means that the monetary inflation in the system would inevitably turn into price inflation sooner or later, and even price hyper-inflation. If this takes place, gold will indeed be a bright sector to turn to, as Sprott forsees.

Where we may differ from Sprott is on how to handle the purchase of gold. If price inflation becomes severe and the price of gold continues to rocket upwards, we can see that various nation-states will eye ways that they can control both the price of gold and the physical metal itself. Is outright confiscation a possibility? Even months ago, we would have predicted confiscation was not a likely measure. But in the past year, Western economies and their leaders have shown an astonishing level of mendacity and desperation. We wouldn't put anything past the Western bureaucracy at this moment in time.

Conclusion: Sometime within the next few years, inflation will become a problem, maybe a big problem. At that point, gold will likely make even more progress than it has now in terms of the upward push of its price. We certainly don't know if ETFs, which are basically paper gold, are the best place to be in such circumstances. In fact, short of buying gold and burying it on your own property, or buying gold in a place such as Switzerland – which has a reputation for fair-dealing and has never confiscated a single ounce of gold so far as we know – we are not sure what will prove most effective in the near future. Physical delivery certainly seems attractive in such situations, but perhaps it is the flexibility to take physical delivery that is more important, as long as the gold is located within a stable and proven safe haven, like Switzerland. We agree with Sprott on the future of gold. We are a bit more dubious about the prospects of ETFs, generally speaking anyway and would seek Swiss based solutions with a convertibility feature. Perhaps we can suggest such a solution in due course.




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  Posted by Weeble on 04/30/10 09:28 PM

If you store your wealth in dollars (or other fabulous fiats) then you are asking for hyper-trouble as time progresses, if you keep it in the bank or under your mattress.

If you store your wealth in gold, then why would you sell it? Ahh, speculation, eh? Mises would be turning in his grave if he though you were doing that. Work hard, save your money, swap cash for gold, and hang onto it. Let it multiply. It is wealth, as you know. A lot more quantifiable than an ablating currency or digits on a piece of paper or a screen.

Remember, "the king was in his counting house, counting out his money". Not, "the king was in his living room, day trading and speculating".

Start using it, here and there, when you get your car fixed, or when you need some landscraping done. Get people used to swapping service for gold. Eventually, it will come back to you, if enough people do it.

Gold ETFs are super risky, as there are more ETFs than gold. Sounds like CDOs and CDSs all over again, and you know how that is ending...

Solid gold in your hand is what I say.

I would also stay with Maple Leafs or AE (grey hoody type with frayed sleeves and a broken zip). Bullion is just asking for plated tungsten.

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Hey DB, how about researching the free movement of people pre-WW1? You would liven up the debate a little. Maybe the Power Elite is trying to cause governments to implode, so they can "go direct". Just speculating.

  Posted by JPM on 04/30/10 07:16 AM

"We would only point out that one might think of buying physical gold to begin with and taking delivery - thus short-circuiting the necessity of buying an ETF at all."

For funds deposited in Individual Retirement Accounts (IRAs) it easier and cheaper to buy shares of PHYS (or other precious metal trusts) rather than owning and storing and insuring the physical metal with a certified facility authorized to store "IRA Precious Metal". You have the convenience of buying and selling shares (or units) of PHYS as you would stock. If you are worried about your government's confiscation and capital control policies (as Americans should be), a non-Canadian investor gets the benefit of storing his wealth in a stable country with a long history of strong personal property rights.

The disadvantage with PHYS and other similar trusts is counterparty risk. This is not a trivial matter. You have to trust the person you are dealing with. Listen to Sprott interviews and read his stuff. They will go a long way towards allying your concerns. Certainly, a fund like PHYS that permits investors to cash out in physical metal provides a level of confidence not found in other precious metal funds.

A Sprott Interview can be found here: Click to view link

  Posted by Lance E. Schultz on 04/29/10 12:47 PM

"...as long as the gold is located within a stable and proven safe haven, like Switzerland."-- DB

When the time comes; and it WILL come, there is only one place under heaven where your gold or silver or anything else for that matter may be considered, "safe;" within reach.

  Posted by Adam E on 04/29/10 11:41 AM

I presume Boatman is talking about numismatic gold and silver coins--as opposed to, say, American Eagles, when he says "coins are for chumps."

I've had the question of "when to sell" on my mind for a while now. Two things have been bothering me about the metals:

1) the bullion dealers know exactly what's going on in the market and will only be buying back your metal when they know they can make a profit (i.e., prices are still going up). Timing is crucial. I won't be trying to get out at the exact top.

2) I can easily imagine the US government, in quick order, mandating a very high tax or other restrictions, on the purchase and/or sale of gold and silver. They would effectively be penalizing--and sending a stern message--to anyone who thought there was a "way out" of this financial mess. I'm hoping I'm out before those measures are enacted. (Just my opinion.)

I look forward to an article by the Bell about selling gold and silver. The fact that this aspect of the metal is rarely, if ever, discussed, gives me an uneasy feeling.

  Posted by Fred on 04/29/10 11:26 AM

Another question: If I am planning to sell gold, why take delivery? Why store it? Why not buy (hopefully low) ETF (paper?) gold and sell it later on (hopefully high)? Who cares if there is any gold backing the ETF gold? It is sort of like an atomic collision. We can't see the details of the collision. All we see is the fiat currency(incoming particle) going into the gold bucket (atom) and then, after the interaction, seeing the fiat currencies (outgoing particles) coming out. We could print up all the ETF certificates we want. Like we do with the dollar.

  Posted by Boatman on 04/29/10 10:26 AM

oh, and the best people to deal with on jewelry bars is United Precious metal refiners in albany NY.....

they take postal money orders! most places do not.

Reply from The Daily Bell

We have no knowledge of this group.

  Posted by Boatman on 04/29/10 10:22 AM

@fred....fiat currency will fail but at some point you sell your gold at currency's bottom...u can't barter with gold-whadda ya gona do shave off some? weigh it?...better not let anyone know u EVEN have it-they'll have guns if armegeddon comes.

this is a bubble investment strategy sorta like real estate was 4 years ago.

if you believe in world armageddon you are better off with bullets and canned goods you CAN barter with them.....specially the bullets......better to let the other people know u have bullets, not food.



confiscation was an issue when money WAS backed by gold.1933.

gold coins are not legal tender.......what are they gonna do,come by and demand my 1967 class ring?

coins are for chumps! anyway.... 99.99% gold is 9999 gold period....10 oz jewelry bars stamped are recognizable and easily Click to view link only 3% under spot 60 miles from my house.

and then there are the idiots who must have coins......

even if it gets to consfiscation(improbable), they will pay you handsomely for your gold,you can take your wheelbarrow full of paper ducketts and you will still be way better off than those with JUST class rings.

  Posted by George Sign on 04/29/10 10:09 AM

Hi Fred, You ask why would anyone want to sell Gold? The last time there was a big spike in Gold and Silver the clever (lucky) people got out at the top and bought again at the bottom thereby making a fortune. The "panic" to buy at the end of the bubble should drive prices to ridiculous heights. It's when everyone is saying they are buying Gold and Silver is when it's time to get out and wait for the downside before going back in. Hopefully the Daily Bell will interview an "expert" who will give advice on this timing.

Reply from The Daily Bell

We are not sure you can "time" the market with definitive accuracy, though there are certainly trends you can observe.

  Posted by F. Beard on 04/29/10 09:57 AM

"The economic malformation of Western economies was so great that the system could not take it anymore. Instead of allowing economies to shed the mal-investments, central bankers have simply printed more money and papered over the problem. This may well have terrible results in the future." The Daily Bell

An unfortunate consequence of creating money via debt is that the money ceases to exist as the debt is repaid. As absurd as it is, since money is typically only electronic bits, an economy can run out of money! No wonder then that central banks and governments attempt to "paper over" the problem.

Solutions? Allow alternative forms of money. There are ways to create debt-free money. These include:

1. Mining precious metals such as gold or silver.
2. The government creation and spending of debt-free money that it also accepts for taxes.
3. The use of common stock as money.

  Posted by Dave Anderson on 04/29/10 09:34 AM

I fully expect the American government to seize gold once the price soars above $3000 per ounce. After all the legal precedent already exists from the Roosevelt Administration! So what to do to protect oneself against fiat money debasement becomes problematical.

Here again, history may be a guide. When holding physical gold became illegal, people who acquired silver and numismatic gold escaped the grasp of Uncle Sam. Next time the former may not be as fortunate.

But numismatic coins enjoy protection of the 4th amendment which prohibits unlawful seizure. And while the U.S government doesn't exactly abide by the Constitution any longer, holding numismatic coins may be the safest plan.

  Posted by Fred on 04/29/10 09:16 AM

Question: I thought the purpose of buying gold is to avoid depreciating fiat currencies. Why would you want to sell it and convert back to (by definition)depreciating fiat currencies? Just use gold as a medium of exchange. "You give me fish, I give you gold."

  Posted by Sharon Blake on 04/29/10 07:58 AM

I deal with Blanchard. They too sell gold and silver etc. and buy it back if and when you want to sell. The Market report on buying your own gold and keeping it is the smart way to go. I also do that with Silver. It was interesting input. Thanks.

  Posted by Boatman on 04/29/10 07:05 AM

In tuesdays mini-greek freakout, gold de-reverse coupled with the dollar.....both going up at the same time.

This is a logical intermediate step towards gold being THE cash save haven....most important in the coming currency crisis.

Of course at that point ,it will reverse couple again, only with gold going up,up,up....and dollar down.

  Posted by George Sign on 04/29/10 06:59 AM

Dear Nick,

I'm no expert but there are a couple of sites that do actually hold allocated Gold and Silver for their clients.

GoldPrice and BullionVault.

My only experience is with BullionVault.

They have a good interface which makes it very easy to buy and sell Gold and Silver.

"Touch wood" (or should I say Silver) I have never had a problem.

When you buy coins you pay a premium on top of the Gold/Silver content. Also if you want to sell you must go to a dealer who will charge his mark-up and you may not be able to sell quickly if the market turns.

With BullionVault your Gold and Silver is allocated and "verified".

This means that it has not been taken out of the bullion market and tampered with and is stored in a professional vault.

Once you have enough Silver or Gold you can have a specific bar registered in your name. If BullionVault reads this I think they should pay me commission!

  Posted by Nick on 04/29/10 06:08 AM

"Buy physical and have it stored in a non-bank vault. Make sure you have the serial numbers and weight. Don't take the metal out of the bullion market as you will pay costs and then need to verify it when you sell."

George, can you spell this out a bit more for newbies? Are you saying to take delivery, or not? Do you have specific recommendations of vendors and vaults?

  Posted by Marcus on 04/29/10 06:03 AM

If Germany exports less it means it will import less too, because a country pays for its imports with its exports. Only the USA with the Dollar can do otherwise.

  Posted by Stanislas Gard on 04/29/10 05:37 AM

"We agree with Sprott on the future of gold. We are a bit more dubious about the prospects of ETFs, generally speaking anyway and would seek Swiss based solutions with a convertibility feature. Perhaps we can suggest such a solution in due course." Please suggest such a solution. It would be greatly appreciated. And keep up the good work.

Reply from The Daily Bell

Thanks. We're working on it.

  Posted by Robert Fellner on 04/29/10 04:22 AM

Daily Bell,

I agree with your sentiments. In regards to suggesting a solution, are you aware of Click to view link

I am a customer of theirs precisely because they allow you to own physical gold outright and store it in a Swiss vault. Seems like the best solution I have found so far. Would love to hear your feedback though.

Reply from The Daily Bell

We won't comment directly on Click to view link, but the idea generally seems to us to be a good one.

  Posted by Goldfinger on 04/29/10 04:09 AM

I agree with Daily Bell and Sprott, with regard to the inflation being a certainty within the next few years. This is one of the reasons why I entered the physical (Gold/Silver) markets in 2001. At that time my judgement was questioned by those around me. I have since refrained from expressing my views regarding precious metals and instead discuss current events, which basically confirm my investment decisions over and over again.

  Posted by George Sign on 04/29/10 03:24 AM

Gold is good Silver is better. Silver is unbelievably undervalued. Buy physical and have it stored in a non-bank vault. Make sure you have the serial numbers and weight. Don't take the metal out of the bullion market as you will pay costs and then need to verify it when you sell. Every Guru that writes about Gold and Silver says buy it now.

This is a no-brainer. The REAL information you need is when to SELL. When the "Precious Metal Bubble" inflates you don't want to follow the price up and then down the other side and be back where you started. I would humbly request the Daily Bell to interview an expert on the timing of selling and what indicators to look for.

Reply from The Daily Bell

Good idea, thanks.