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Is Gold Really in a Bubble?
Gold Bugs Getting Giddy?: Yellow Metal Hits Fresh Record ... Gold prices continued to march further into record territory Friday, as the metal pushed above $1,260, up about 1% in New York futures trading. Investors flocked to the metal on waning confidence in global growth prospects and currency instability, Dow Jones Newswires reports. We'll admit it. We've been skeptical of gold's run higher, as strong retail awareness of the asset, as well as the constant commercials flogging coins, makes us feel like gold has a decidedly bubbly quality to it. We may be wrong. But, even if we're right there's ample evidence that the metal wants to go higher. And bubbles often persist for quite a while. – Wall Street Journal blog
Dominant Social Theme: When will the bubble pop?
Free-Market Analysis: So gold is in a bubble, eh? How many times are we going to read this statement in the mainstream media? And as many times as we ask this question, we point out that the same media never state that stock or bond markets are in a bubble. It is taken for granted that when stock markets move up in aggregate it is because of a "recovery" and that fundamentals are "good" and are "lifting all boats." When large numbers of government bonds are being disposed of without effort, this is seen as a sign of government's underlying health as well.
But let gold or silver begin to levitate and the mainstream media inevitably comes alive with analyses featuring "nervousness" and "fear." When investors purchase blue chip stocks, it is never out of worry, but when the same investor buys gold and silver, he or she is inevitably doing so as a result of some sort of deep psychic dissatisfaction – a kind metaphysical fugue. Here's some more from the Journal article, dated June 18:
On a year-to-date basis, gold futures are up more than 15%, while the U.S. Dollar, as measured by the oft-mentioned DXY – a trade-weighted index which is mostly euro – is up about 10%. "The ability for both to rally together speaks to gold's ability to trade as a currency, partially due to demand from central banks to diversify reserves and to general market fears," wrote Scotia Capital currency analyst Camilla Sutton in a note to clients Friday. At any rate, Friday's gold price rally is helping to pump up prices of gold stocks. Newmont Mining is up more than 3%. Barrick Gold is up 2.8%. Newmont is the top gainer in the S&P materials sector, which is the second best performer in the broad index so far Friday.
There's that word again – did you notice – "fear." For the mainstream, it is almost impossible to write about precious metals without some sort of disparagement. Investors buy large cap stocks. Speculators purchase small-cap equity. "Bugs" buy gold. It gets tiresome to cover this sort of thing if you come at markets from a free-market or libertarian perspective. Here's some apocrypha from Peter Schiff. In conversation with him once, one of us made the statement that it had been confusing to figure out that "real" economics was Austrian. "What other kind of economics is there?" he asked.
He was correct. There is "real" economics and there is everything else. Keynesian, Marxian, even Brownian (our term). Much economics today, unfortunately, depends on "econometrics" and seeks its own kind of empirical evidence. Austrian economics depends on common sense to establish fundamental principals of economics. There are fancy names for this, but what it comes down to is that Austrian, free-market economics simply asks that people come to rational conclusions about their environments based on what they observe, or know to be true.
What do we observe? We see that mercantilist central banks always overstimulate the economy with fiat money and fool people into expanding businesses and spending more than they can afford. Then, inevitably, there comes a point where the stock market and other investment indicators begin flashing red. The game is up! Too many resources have been committed while consumers are tapped out. There is a crash. Books are written. There is much breast-beating. More dysfunctional regulations are passed. People go to jail and families are ruined – basically for nothing. It is a medieval system, though most people believe they are living in a "modern" age.
The purchase of gold and silver – money metals – run in parallel to the above business cycle. While some business cycles in a mercantilist fiat-money environment are relatively mild, sooner or later the stresses and strains of torrents of debt money overwhelm the system. An earthquake results that virtually levels economies dependent on this sort of system. Greater or lesser earthquakes have taken place in the 1930s, the 1970s and the 2000s.
There is nothing magical about it. The overprinting of fiat money causes economies to break down. Then the only solution for these debt-based money systems is the printing of more money to counteract the inevitable price deflation. But when the business cycles are severe, and fiat money loses considerable and obvious value, gold (and silver) rise, relatively speaking. In fact, gold and silver, being money metals, are merely reflecting the loss of value of paper and electronic fiat money.
But at this point, after a century of mind-control, most people, including financial journalists, don't see it that way. Central banks and the power elite may hold gold and silver – and more and more of it as fiat money systems degrade – but for the larger populace gold must always be seen as an aberrant investment. When gold is going down or is flat, then it is to be seen as correct from a financial point of view. But when gold and silver are moving up relative to fiat currencies, something must be "wrong." If gold is moving up over an extended period of time, it is an indication of worry and fear. When it is has reached hitherto unheard of heights, it is in a bubble. Guaranteed.
Gold has proven one of the very best investments in the world for the past DECADE. Yet throughout this time period, the mainstream Western media has blathered on about bailouts, stock market retrenchments and recoveries and the relative health of the West's miserable fiat currencies. There is something absolutely weird and dysfunctional about a culture that celebrates middle class wealth obsessively while confiscating it with such vehemence.
Where are the complaints? People still don't get it, we guess, or not enough of them. From our point of view, the mass of middle class investors, now denuded of their 401Ks and savings generally, ought to rise up in disgust at the mainstream media and demand to know why their favorite, trusted analysts and commentators have misled them so egregiously. They ought to demand to know under what criteria various newspaper columnists have received their faux-Nobel prizes in economics for being consistently wrong. They ought to demand the reasons why someone like President Barack Obama has surrounded himself with economists whose chief distinction over the past decade is to be transparently and publicly incorrect about the economy.
It was obvious to the 1,000-person Bell braintrust (well maybe it wasn't 1,000 brains at the time) way back in 2001 that gold was going to reach at least US$1,000 over the next decade or so. And more recently we have predicted that gold could go to US$2,000 or US$3,000 before this leg of the business cycle is over – which may be sometime around 2015. (Don't take our word for it, please; do your own research and think it out for yourselves.) Of course, we do not want to be over-emphatic. Gold and silver are subject to various fluctuations (and certainly the price can travel too far and too fast – and thus be subject to a downturn, emphatic or not.). An impending war with, say, Iran, might have a distortive effect, or a major environmental disaster that threatens to raise the price of oil.
But there are larger fundamentals at work as well. We tend to believe that the fiat system itself may be irretrievably ruined and thus might not even be around in five years, or not at least in its current form. In fact, we have written many times that we expect some sort of money metals standard to emerge – formally or informally as fiat currencies continue their irretrievable descent. We think, in fact, it is already occurring.
Conclusion: We continue to believe in the sensible observational techniques that free-market Austrian economics encourages. Unlike the Wall Street Journal (or the delightfully frantic Bill Murray in Groundhog Day) we are not surprised when we get up in every morning to see the same thing. Yes, gold remains stubbornly fixed at (or near) current prices and does not give signs of imminent collapse – so what? Overall, it is not a "bubble." It is a near-term reality.
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Posted by Bruce C. on 06/23/10 02:14 AM
This paradox is inherent in the very question of this article: Is gold in a bubble? It's all based upon the price of gold in dollars. The fact that gold's price has risen so quickly (in ten years) and greatly (by five-fold) is the basis of the conjecture, at least by those who hold the invisible belief that the dollar is the final arbiter of all things financial. However, when one switches perspective and accepts gold as the only true money, then the observation that the dollar has lost 80% of its purchasing power in the last 10 years invokes a concern for the dollar, not gold.
So, is gold in a bubble or is the dollar/fiat-currencies in deep trouble?
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Now, a note to "Kenneth Gilbert":
Given what you stated, I would suggest you buy at least half of the gold and silver you intend to buy now, and then buy more when the supposed price drop is to occur. If the price is indeed lower at that time then good for you, if not then you may have to pay the same or more, but that would be the cost of hedging. Try not to get greedy and wait too long for a pullback because it may not happen, and I believe things will be changing sooner and faster than most people realize, and then it will be too late.
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Also, a note to "Zenbillionaire":
You are correct that leveraging is involved in gold speculation but the nature of it is different than you seem to think. The primary leveraging is in the "sale" of gold/precious metals, not so much in the purchasing. This is the primary reason that "paper gold" via ETFs, etc. are such a potential problem. About 100 times as much "gold" is sold than actually exists. This is not really a secret, and many commodities are traded the same way, but it has become an issue of concern because of the growing importance in possessing physical metal. Until recently fewer than 1% of PM traders ever demanded delivery of any metal but now more are doing so. Normally, one is paid a cash premium in lieu of delivery, but that is becoming less acceptable because investors don't want fiat currency. The bottom line to all of this is that when this starts to unwind the price of physical metal will "skyrocket" and paper gold will sell at a huge discount.
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Posted by Delbwato on 06/23/10 01:23 AM
All markets are manipulated as best the players are able. To shun markets because of manipulators is foolishness. If one considers manipulators to be wise study them and mimic their every move. If, on the other hand, a move of gold from $250 to $1250 strikes one as poor manipulation to suppress price, act accordingly.
Economics is Human Action (Mises). Therefore one's efforts to make money in the markets would be better spent studying humans and their actions rather than numerology or "systems".
Don't forget the Black Swans (Taleb). Listen to the "experts" and do the opposite. They'll unwittingly indicate the area where a possible hedge lies by the exuberance or deprecation of the objects of their stilted ignorance.
Due diligence always.
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Well done!
Posted by Weeble on 06/22/10 10:37 PM
No, really, I will try to confuse you more. When I buy gold with fiat, it is cash only! A cheque has to clear for 3 weeks @ Kitco for that money to be deemed as cash. They are quite serious about that. They like bank wires the best.
Since the world GDP is (or was until recently) $50 trillion, if you divide that by ~ 5 billion ounces (the quantity of gold ever mined), you get ~ $10,000 per ounce. That is, if it were returned to the throne of facilitating trade of the $50 trillion world GDP.
Gold ETFs, gold mining stocks, Gold's Gym memberships, and any other related debt or leverage vehicle is not gold. I would call it today's fool's gold. As others have mentioned in far better ways than I, if it is not in your hands, it is worthless.
I do not think we are in a gold bubble. If the price was over $10,000 right now, then I would say there were some hyperactive currencies causing the price to be really high.
The only thing we are suffering from is a fear of using it for trade. That fear shall pass very soon.
Here is a wiki-eye-opener from the following location:
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Gold is one of the coinage metals and has served as a symbol of wealth and a store of value throughout history. Gold standards have provided a basis for monetary policies. It also has been linked to a variety of symbolisms and ideologies.
A total of 161,000 tonnes of gold have been mined in human history, as of 2009.[1] This is roughly equivalent to 5.175 billion troy ounces or, in terms of volume, about 8,333 cubic meters, or a 20.274m x 20.274m x 20.274m block.
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Sounds pretty reasonable doesn't it? I then looked at some pretty pictures, and some atomic numbo-jumbo, and then I noticed the "Monetary Exchange" section:
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Gold has been widely used throughout the world as a vehicle for monetary exchange, either by issuance and recognition of gold coins or other bare metal quantities, or through gold-convertible paper instruments by establishing gold standards in which the total value of issued money is represented in a store of gold reserves.
However, the amount of gold in the world is finite and production has not grown in relation to the world's economies.
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Stop right there, I said! If the production has not grown in relation to the world's economies, then the same gold would need to be spread amongst more products and services, which means deflation. Wiki is trying to say that we are "past" the gold thing, as we our economies are too big now.
I will let the rest of the wiki clip finish gracefully, as it is pure unadulterated propoganda.
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Today, gold mining output is declining.[9] With the sharp growth of economies in the 20th century, and increasing foreign exchange, the world's gold reserves and their trading market have become a small fraction of all markets and fixed exchange rates of currencies to gold became unsustainable. At the beginning of World War I the warring nations moved to a fractional gold standard, inflating their currencies to finance the war effort. After World War II gold was replaced by a system of convertible currency following the Bretton Woods system. Gold standards and the direct convertibility of currencies to gold have been abandoned by world governments, being replaced by fiat currency in their stead. Switzerland was the last country to tie its currency to gold; it backed 40% of its value until the Swiss joined the International Monetary Fund in 1999.[10]
Pure gold is too soft for day-to-day monetary use and is typically hardened by alloying with copper, silver or other base metals. The gold content of alloys is measured in carats (k). Pure gold is designated as 24k. Gold coins intended for circulation from 1526 into the 1930s were typically a standard 22k alloy called crown gold, for hardness.
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Posted by Zenbillionaire on 06/22/10 09:20 PM
If the price of gold were set using cash transactions only, a bubble could not form. I don't believe that is the case though. Perhaps someone would do me the honor of correcting me on that point? I would love to believe that gold is in fact a safe haven.
Posted by NolaM on 06/22/10 01:41 PM
There were guys waiting 5 months for 10 Oz Silver Bars. Gold was 10 weeks.
Keep in mind that if Spot falls to $600, the actual buy price will be $900 plus for an ounce of Gold in hand.
Last dip we had $7 plus per ounce premiums for Silver...heck... check out what the Euro cost for silver is these days.
Buy as much as you figure you need as an emergency hedge NOW, then keep buying down into the dip and back out.
The whole goal is to get out of Paper/E-money, Banks, Markets, Certificates or Currency.
If any of your Precious Metal involves/depends on any of Click to view link does not count.
So when you look at your core wealth and decide what you want to hold without counter party risk...
If half is in Precious Metal Stocks, you have half of the coverage you need. If it is in someone else's hands or Click to view link does not count.
Anybody saying otherwise is kidding themselves.
Invest in your own security measures...Hey!... Have you met my Crocodile Reggie? He guards my piddly wee stash.
Posted by Ryan on 06/22/10 12:42 PM
The financial world is not "random". It is governed by purposeful human action. This is the crucial aspect you are missing in your (anti-)analysis.
Posted by Jemlyn on 06/22/10 12:41 PM
If your son is wrong and gold soars unexpectedly, you will be sorry you waited. If it falls it won't go to $600. That's ridiculous. If it falls some, it will come back up; the fiat money problem is not going away. Buy half of the gold and silver you want and wait a few months maybe to get the other half.
Posted by Weeble on 06/22/10 11:00 AM
Read yesterday's Allison Nathan article from GS, grudgingly clicking their gold forecast up to $1400? It amuses me that gold has not been relegated to being traded in dark alleys like drugs; stifled to non-existence so that fiat currencies can shine without comparison to real money.
I found Cossack55 and his rowboat story quite interesting and in line with my thoughts. The fearsome forties reminded me of the roaring forties:
And now the storm-blast came, and he
Was tyrannous and strong:
He struck with his o'ertaking wings,
And chased us south along.
-- The Rime Of The Ancient Mariner
I only have enough gold to last me a couple of months, but it is better than nothing. I would hope that others would also have enough gold to last them a couple of months, too. That way, there would be some trading going on, and my gold would boomerang back. Next, some silver.
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Thanks for the poem and update. Here is a report on Nathan's projections ...
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Posted by David Anderson on 06/22/10 10:44 AM
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Thanks.
Posted by George Sign on 06/22/10 10:40 AM
The stock market is rigged by high frequencies traders, The currency market is rigged by central banks. Silver and Gold are manipulated "Da Boyz" at JPM and the like. It doesn't matter which theory you favour if I'm pulling the strings. You will always lose. Stick to Gold and Silver and wait for the "shorters" to short themselves to death. Then hang-on for the ride of your life.
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Posted by Scott on 06/22/10 09:57 AM
Posted by Knukles on 06/22/10 08:05 AM
Why has Greece (and by extension the EU) currently log of some 112 physical tons representing some 73.2% of reserves, not liquidated any of such during the current financial crisis in order to pay down outstanding debts, instead of resorting to confidence and credibility impairing negotiations and handouts? Does not such inaction seem a terrible price to pay in defense of the supposedly noble currency?
Why would the EU Power Elite not revert to a more direct and permanent disposition of the fundamental concerns eroding the Euros value? Shall I conclude that the EU finds the Relative Value of gold to be Significantly Greater than and the True Intentions to achieve Fiscal Stability Less than Publicly Held Forth? I shall, indeed. I shall indeed conclude that the Power Elite's very own actions conclusively assign a hypocritical, extreme value to the metal.
Posted by Eric D Parks on 06/22/10 07:51 AM
I do know the past and, a decade or so ago, the E.W. folks were adamant that gold would drop below US200/ounce before it started higher. Hence, they refused to buy; taking a wait-and-see approach. Having never seen the realization of that particular move down, they are now doing the same thing albeit with a "slightly" higher low as their target. Me? I figured I'd dollar-cost-average in order to avoid many sleepless nights. Of course, being right is not entirely all it's cracked up to be. Now I have to figure out when to sell. Ugh.
Posted by Daniel Stafford on 06/22/10 07:09 AM
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Posted by Leonardo Pisano on 06/22/10 06:03 AM
I am also a fan of Elliott Wave Theory, and guru Prechter (Click to view link) says the same thing: we will get strong waves down in stocks, and they are on the verge to happen. Prechter says we are in a deflationary depression, meaning ALL goes down, oil. gold, silver. He also mentioned the 650/ounce area for gold, and same as you I will wait to jump into gold until this down wave had run its course.
@Martin Sobek
Rationally you are right. However, markets flow on emotions, mainly. Elliott Waves are based on social moods of people that seem to follow certain patterns, and news, outlooks and fundamentals will be perceived based on collective hope/greed and fear. EWT is great for longer term waves and trends " the shorter term (daytrading) is distorted by ad hoc emotions.
Posted by Cossack55 on 06/22/10 05:49 AM
I have been a silver bug for many years, though, in old coins to cover both sides of the bet. I don't care in PMs are in a Bubblegum, soap bubble, bubblicious or any other kind of bubble. I do not hold for "them". I hold for myself and heirs. I'll never sell, but I may use some for barter. What is the old saw, Figures lie and liars figure.
PS. All my PMs and guns were lost overboard when I attempted to sail the globe in a rowboat and hit bad weather in the "fearsome forties".
Posted by Martin Sobek on 06/22/10 05:28 AM
To possess physical gold and silver is as to have life-jacket during the perfect storm. The ship "World Monetary System" is inside such a perfect storm for some time already.
Posted by George Sign on 06/22/10 04:25 AM
My take on charts is like a man entering a forest in a dense fog. He bumps into many trees and then concludes that ahead are more trees. He then falls down a ditch and the same thing happens every ten paces so he concludes that after the next ten paces there will be a ditch and finds he bumps into a wall. Charts and "systems" are very enticing and can always be relied upon to explain how we got where we are. The danger is believing they can predict what will happen next.
Posted by Clayton on 06/22/10 03:48 AM
That said, I would recommend anyone interested in a "balanced" view of the current economy to listen to an interview of Robert Prechter on Click to view link titled, "The End Game." The paradoxical behavior of the metal during this deleveraging process could very well point to a vast hedging against the survival of the fiat money system itself, even by the Central Banks who are its perpetrators. No one wants to be left without a seat when the music stops. Prechter thinks the music stops around 2016.
His view of the immediate situation is that we are in the aftermath of the attempted reflation, and are floating in an unsustainable calm before the final debt dissolving downturn that lies straight ahead. In his view, the current bond bubble will lead to a recognition of the impossibility of repayment and massive defaults are coming when the big players see that the economy is truly out of steam. He thinks that the period we are in, buoyed by all the stimulus money, presents the astute investor a last opportunity to act without the negative influence of panic.
Today's stock market decline is to me a telling event. The massive and constant market manipulation is being seen as irrational and self-contradictory. (Ask yourself, how can slowing down China speed up the rest of the world?)
On top of all of this is the next phase of the real estate crisis, and with it a continuation of the banking crisis, expanding joblessness, social tensions, increased police brutality, class warfare between the public and private sectors, higher tax rates, falling government revenues, municipal bankruptcies, crumbling infrastructure, higher prices that fewer and fewer can afford to pay, despair followed by reaction and revulsion, a demand for a new leadership, and finally a new paradigm.
By this reckoning, we have four years to get our act together and put forward an alternative, or see our vision for the future swallowed up in a great heap of fear and reactive darkness.
Posted by George Sign on 06/22/10 02:30 AM
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The only "system" that seems to work is Austrian business cycle theory. That can tell you what is likely going to happen, but not when. Unfortunately, for many of us, "when" may be as important or more important than what or how.
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