You are right, Bob. It is all about power, money, and population control. Have you heard about the genetically engineered corn, with a birth control feature built in? Third world countries are being "encouraged" to grow and eat it. Isn't that an easy way to reduce the world's population.
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Research Global 2000 Depopulation!

The Antichrist is in Europe working behind the scenes to destroy humanity.

If citizens continue to believe they live in a country of laws, they will usually accommodate to new laws enacted by their governments. But at some point the sheer scope and depth of regulation we experience in the West will test that belief.

I think we have reached that point in Western countries, especially with the Codex Alimentarius-type legislation. Nothing is more personal than health, and government efforts to regulate people's sources of food and nutrition is already testing those boundaries.

I once was concerned. I now have confidence that this elite effort will fail via both underground supply efforts and public effrontery.

" ...they have to pry my Herbteas and Herbal Remedies out of my cold dead hands...." So sayeth a few on this site. Charlton Heston was prescient.

Happily silver comes to rescue:
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@Joresc

"DB believes that the rush with which these dominant social themes are being implemented shows that the PE is feeling the pressure of the newly enlightened internet population. Could it be that the speed with which the PE is implementing these measures could just be a sign of...confidence?" Hear, hear! My thoughts as well. What say ye DB? Are you perhaps indulging in wishful thinking?

Reply from The Daily Bell

We've answered this numerous times. The elite evidently and obviously uses dominant social themes to prepare the way for further global governance - and to achieve other necessary goals.

There are very good reasons for this approach. When there are 6,000 of you and six billion who are not, you ought to be careful.

Why then after several hundred successful years of orchestrating such things purposefully and carefully, would the elite abandon any pretense of justification and plunge ahead towards its goal madly and blindly? You call it confidence?

We think there is something else at work, and have speculated at length on what that might be ...

What I find funny about all of this is the sheer deficit in intelligent management and results that such regulation engenders. Thinking back now, as my mind clears of the fog that has assaulted it since late last summer, I recall that a desire for intelligent management was what pushed me in the direction of liberty, and not vice versa. I do not have to call the men and women that push for control that exceeds their grasp Tyrants. They are merely Fools, and I neither need to obey their edicts nor remain in their closing societies. To the road, my friends. What places do not implement such policies seriously will be happier and wealthier of places by far then the ghosts of societies we leave behind to join them.

@Heuristic

"The exquisite irony is that most "alternative health", "alternative living", meridian tapping, chi and sacred crystals hippy types are wishy-washy lefties.

"First they came for the camomile drinking crystal worshippers, but I'm not a camomile drinking crystal worshipper so.." (joking)

In my case, they will only take my green tea by prying it from my cold, dead hands!"

Well then, you had better have an up-to-date Will! But seriously, this really does show the "power" in the phrase 'power elites'. I am married to one of your "lefties" and despite living with me as I try for the last 5 years to make her aware of what's going on, she is still stubbornly insisting that "it's not that bad" (this includes the TSA at the airports). And this is an intellegient woman! I love her dearly, but when people are like she is, I realize we have our work cut out for us.

I mean, I am still getting emails from the NRDC and Robert Redford, urging me to help save (fill in the blanks): the whales, the wolves, the Artic, etc. I want to shake them and yell into their "leftie" ears, "Hey! It doesn't matter if you try to save the Earth, one cause at a time, when the Powers-That-Be are assaulting it from the top down!".

@Bruce -- post of 12/31/2010 1:19:47 PM

The system is now set up so we mandate people to represent us. We just hope they do that right every time, but would be satisfied if they do so 50% of the time (I guess).

Do you think a good solution would be to allow people to vote via Internet-technology on a subject-by-subject basis (presuming we can get this secure)?

Well, Control the medicines and you can manipulate the death rate. Control the food and you can control the starvation rate. Control the necessities of life and you control the masses? Maybe it goes beyond the greed theme? People in general, are no longer allowed to even survive on any means they may be able to use themselves. What a mad world, indeed, and only getting worse... Until something good happens.

Although the Bell quotes one Natural Health organization in the article, I can't help wondering if there might be another organization keeping its mouth shut in the debate over herbal remedies and natural medicines.

The section of the Telegraph article saying that after May 1st such medicines must be obtained through prescription by a "registered herbal practitioner" leads me to believe that there must be a "registry" somewhere that identifies a group of people *other than pharmaceutical companies* who will profit from the regulation.

Who are those people? On a similar note, what companies hold licenses to produce herbal supplements? Are they existing pharmaceutical producers or businesses of some other kind?

This appears more a move towards regulatory capture to me than an attempt to suppress natural medicine. Perhaps decrying the role of Big Pharma is a red herring? Assumptions are dangerous; one must know whom one is fighting in order to win any battle.

I believe what we're seeing is fallout from the widespread use of the Internet more than anything else. It's the Internet that's brought information on alternative medicine to the people. Prior to it, the most common source of medical knowledge was your family doctor, the Internet has changed that. Many professional medical organizations have come to realize their livelihood now depends on their ability to regulate prescription medications and that without that power many of them would be out of work.

In fact, they've seen business decline and market share taken not by professional practitioners of Natural Medicine, but by Internet sites promoting the use of non-prescription remedies for common ailments. Why buy insulin from a doctor when you can control your blood sugar with Fenugreek seed you buy over the counter at a health food store, or order from the Internet? The hard part was knowing about Fenugreek seed in the first place, but the Internet (and Google) have changed that.

I believe this is another "unintended consequence" of the Internet; it wasn't anticipated by the medical community and they are moving clumsily to save themselves. In the long run I don't think it will work.

For those of you whom voted for change your getting it.

When I first came across the debates about Ellen Brown's concept of sovereign money on this web site, I had to check out if it was the same Ellen Brown who wrote "Forbidden Medicine", a book I read about 2 years ago.

This book is the story she wrote, as an attorney part of the legal team defending Jimmy Keller, a natural cancer healer kidnapped by the FBI in Mexico, where he was running a cancer clinic. He was subsequently prosecuted and condemned to a jail sentence in a Texas prison.

Until then, I only knew E. Brown as a lawyer interested in natural medicine. She wrote several books on the subject. As her defense of Keller was in fact a fight against government agencies and Big Pharma eager to keep a lucrative monopoly on conventional cancer treatments, mainly chemotherapy, I was a little skeptical that her involvment with sovereign money could be susceptible to be somehow part of an elite promotion.

I rather thought that her knowledge of free market economics was possibly poor and innocent, like mine was 2 years ago. But, who knows, the ways of the AAE are sometimes impenetrable.
I found the book interesting, especially for the details given about the various natural treatments that Keller was using with his patients.

The formula of the basic amino-acid serum used by Keller for treating cancer is actually available on request.

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Since I read that book, I am eating regularly bitter apricots kernels as a cancer prevention.

It might be possible for government regulation to forbid the sale of vitamins in supermarkets, as the Bell concluded, but the information spread by Internet provides ways to circumvent such bans.

It is not possible to ban the free sale of food products rich in particular vitamins, that are probably more beneficial to health than chemically synthetized vitamins produced by Novartis or Glaxo.

Bitter apricot kernels are by the way rich in vitamin B17, also called amygdalin.

Once again, all these regulations have nothing to do with people safety and/or welfare or even additional corporate profit. It is all about population control.

The same is true about so-called "full employment". The ruling elite wants a constant monitoring and control over people and their activities. Otherwise, people may develop potentially anti-elite activities, dissent, and associations.

Hi again..Naw ,-we on a rocky road calling for blood 'n rolling heads on this -or anything because, we'd just be another 'Them'then & it's a slippery old slope.Let's be more underhand and occult & use subtler ways 'to rid of (same- oh- so few -always-toO)them' ...........,-by banning their VITAMINS for instance!!

I agree with Ol' Grey Ghost ; "we've got more hay than they have cops". The small town I live in has 4 farmer's markets and 100's of personal gardens-multiply this across the U.S.-impossible to regulate.

Niacin (in the form of niacinamide) is a well-known, safe and effective non-prescription "supplement" that in theraputic doses of from 1000 to 2500 mg daily greatly reduces LDL, raises HDL, and nearly decimates Triglycerides .

"Niaspan" is is niacinamide in a patented formulation that provides and extended release. It is less effective than a similar formulation sold over-the-counter for typically around $15/month at Costco. The prescription Niaspan costs nearly $300/mo.

Medicare part D happily pays for Niaspan, marketed by Abbott, but will not give you a nickel for the cheaper, more effective Slo-Niacin which is sold over the counter or online. Go figure.

The West, the USA and Europe, are in an economic, cultural, and moral disarray. Their ruling elite and its intellectual segment of the society are intellectually bankrupt. Free exchange and flow of information and ideas are curtailed and/or highly regulated. Such society is not either dynamic or viable in a long run.

The West ruling elite is very insecure. They are really at a loss not knowing of what to do. At the same time, they are ready to do anything to keep and preserve their ill-gotten wealth and privileges. Any dissent makes them very paranoiac. Consequently, they are trying to tighten up all possible screws. And very soon, it becomes outright ridiculous (airport security full-body scanners, herbal remedies and vitamins regulations, etc.,). Propaganda and indoctrination took over all mainstream information channels and the entire educational system.

Unfortunately, these events are very familiar to me. I was born in "the first world socialist country" known as the Soviet Union. Some people mistakenly called it Russia. Unfortunately, Russia ceased to exist after a gang of terrorist thugs led by Lenin and Trotsky seized the power in Russia in 1917. These people were talking about equality, justice, and workers & peasants Paradise. At the same time, they were starving and slaughtering millions and millions of workers & peasants they supposed to care for and represent.

After Stalin's death, the Soviet system has changed. It is absolutely incredible but, during the Brezhnev times, Soviet people were almost as free as people in America or Europe now.

I left the Soviet Union because I was a scientist and felt that the West would offer me more opportunities. I was suffocating from Soviet corrupt and totalitarian reality. I have done well in America. I own my own business. However, it appears that someone moved the time clock back. Recently, America and Europe remind me the Soviet Union I have left behind.

The recent Food Safety Modernization Act passed has only one opjective: to cull the human herd! People need to understand that "they" want to get red of us so control is easier. There is a great humanitarien running arount, Prince Philip, saying this:"Human population growth is the single most serious long-term threat to survival....if not controlled voluntarily. it will be controlled involuntarily by an increase in disease and war".

Later this guy mused: "..in the event that I am reincarneted, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute to slove overpopulation" So the elite has things under control. The removal of herbs opens the door for big pharma to surender us to them anyone thinking diffrent needs to wake up.