What Western Elites?
Some avid supporters of the free market write a great deal about Western Elites who, among other things, want to impose democracy on the Middle East and are bent on controlling the world's financial institutions and doings. Since no person or institution is named, at least so far as I am aware, where these Western Elites are mentioned, I am unable to figure out who are these people, what their broader philosophy or ideology amounts to, why they are doing the things they are doing, including attempting to impose democracy on the people of the Middle East and to control the world's financial affairs.
Nor, come to think of it, am I provided with enough information to learn what the people who make these points about Western Elites actually believe other than their broad commitment to the free market (of which, of course, there is no example anywhere on the globe).
The place where the missives making these references to Western Elites are made is a Web Site where some of my columns supportive of the fully free, libertarian polity are featured. These columns appear on my own websites and on some others, including in some newspapers and magazines. And those who edit the web site where the talk of Western Elites is so prominent have been very kind to me and have always published the columns they have chosen to feature without asking for revisions. (I have also been interviewed by them and all my answers to their questions have been faithfully included in the published interviews.)
I am not interested in getting involved in some kind of cat fight with anyone, especially not with folks who publish many valuable essays about financial issues, specifically about the U. S. Federal Reserve Bank and the banking system of many Western countries. But I am concerned about the fact that these references to Western Elites are so frequent and yet so vague. I am unable to check out for myself what these Western Elites say or think or write. Where are their works published, in what newspapers, blogs, magazines, and books can one find their positions laid out? From reading the discussions where the Western Elites are mentioned – just as "Western Elites" – I cannot go and research the positions of these folks, see if they ever answer the criticism leveled at them, etc.
This disturbs me somewhat because even in short discussions of other people's views it would be appropriate to indicate what exactly those views are, how they are put by the very people who hold them (instead of by their critics). When some people's ideas are discussed, it is always helpful to have at least a few direct quotes from the horse's mouth – some primary as opposed to secondary references. This is why in scholarly treatments one offers footnotes or end notes or other indicators so that readers are able to follow up on the discussion and make sure they are grasping the positions being examined. It also enhances trust.
Of course, columns cannot produces all this – few would want to read a usual column with a bunch of notes at the end – yet even there a name or two could steer the reader in the right direction for purposes of more detailed study. So, I am hoping that the sentiments expressed in this brief missive will reach those who discuss the Western Elites – people who are evidently not friends of liberty, nor of ordinary and unsuspecting folks around the globe – and that they will help out readers of their essays with a few specifics that can be used by them to do one's own research. I think this isn't too much to ask for.
One may point out here that I, too, am failing to mention names here but I am not accusing anyone of being bent on imposing anything on anyone or belonging to some elite and, moreover, the folks who are making reference to Western Elites will probably know who they are if they read this missive and could help me out without at this point being named.
In response to your polite and well-articulated article, above, it seems obvious you are referring to us. We have in the resource section of our site, two articles that describe the monetary and power elite, see below; so from our view we have long provided a description of the "elites" to whom we refer. We also – in response to queries such as yours – suggest people Google "money elite" and "power elite." There are literally thousands of websites that provide extensive information from a variety of viewpoints, on the Western elites.
We believe these descriptions (see below) provide an accurate description. We do not try to "name names" on a regular because that brings us into the realm of a discussion that is not ours to make. We are concerned with free markets and the forces that oppose free markets in generic terms – especially the fear-based promotions (global warming, etc.) that the elites use to frighten people into giving up wealth and power to internationalist organizations. But to get into the particulars of whom and what comprises the "power elite" is an entirely separate conversation and one that is pursued on other websites and blogs quite extensively.
We have in the past in "feedbacks" provided names of certain families that are traditionally linked to the power elite; the Rothschilds for their involvement in central banking; the Rockefellers for their support of the United Nations and the involvement of David Rockefeller in the entire strata of the modern financial system: the IMF, BIS, World Bank, etc. We have also indicated that an epicenter of the power elite would be the one-square mile city-within-a-city that is the "City of London" but that other elements of money power might be found in other "cities within cities" such as Washington DC and the Vatican. That we would come to such conclusions would come as no surprise to anyone who studies these issues even cursorily, in our opinion.
Now it is true we do believe that the "elites" are primarily Anglo-American and that they are hellbent on imposing world governance; but again this is fairly indisputable. If one looks at the genesis of the UN and the creation of international paraphernalia including the current global legal infrastructure that has been erected, WHO, NATO, even the EU, one sees substantive Anglo-American involvement. These are facts. The world would be a very different place without the activity of Anglo-American money power and Anglo-American wars.
We do not agree with the idea that the world is better off with a single unified government or a single unified currency, for which the IMF is currently campaigning hard. We believe the current economic system, reliant on central banking and its booms and busts is a terrible economic system and one that emphasizes price fixing of the value and quantity of money; it cannot end well and never does. Nor do we agree with America's endless overseas warring, which we believe is bankrupting what was once (long ago) the greatest and freest country on earth. It is not now.
Below we have listed the two articles describing the elite that have long been available at this website. We hope that these (along with this response) will suffice to address your concerns. If you remain uncomfortable, you are surely not under any obligation to continue to publish with us. We have enjoyed our association with you and would certainly regret any distruption, but if you wish to cease your relationship, that is your choice and we will understand.
With sincere, best wishes,
Two definitions from the resources section of the DB:
The monetary elite consists of wealthy families and individuals who seek to expand their wealth and influence through the development and promotion of dominant social themes.
Such themes often issue from the institutional centers of the elite's global architecture, such as the United Nations , World Bank , World Trade Organization or World Health Organization . They then are broadcast by and elaborated upon by prominent segments of the mainstream media. Thousands of opinion leaders may join in amplifying a theme. Thus the brainchild of a very few – the monetary elite – can seem to be the work of many.
Once announced, themes such as bird flu, Islamofascism and peak oil are repeated relentlessly until much of the public accepts their fearful premises and demands action. Those with the wherewithal to provide solutions – products, services and public stock offerings – may collect vast profits even if the problem is imaginary or exaggerated and regardless of whether the offered solutions provide any actual benefit to the public.
In modern times, the monetary elite is often referred to as the "power elite ." The monetary elite has attracted little modern scholarly analysis, but there are several theories, some serious and some fanciful, as to its character and composition. They include:
The monetary elite is identified with such elusive groups as the "Illuminati," the "black church" or the "black nobility."
The core of the monetary elite consists of the European and American banking dynasties and certain titled families.
The core of the monetary elite includes "sub-churches' within the Roman Catholic and/or Jewish religions.
The monetary elite includes members who claim to trace their roots to ancient times, even to Babylon and beyond, a notion that supports the conceit that they properly stand apart from the "common herd."
It is not necessary to judge which, if any, of these theories is correct to detect the manufacturing of urgent problems that are presented as needing cures that can be provided only by an elite. Signifiers of monetary elite activities include a disdain for (or ignorance concerning) free markets and an incorrigible persistence in promoting a theme even after it has been largely rejected by the public or discredited by facts that are widely known.
2) Power Elite
The term "power elite" traces to the writings of C. Wright Mills, including his 1956 book, The Power Elite. The concept posits wealthy and/or well connected families and individuals who seek to expand their wealth by applying and promoting dominant social themes . Such themes may eventually develop into widely held archetypes or memes .
Often such themes seem to originate with the United Nations , World Bank , World Trade Organization, World Health Organization or other international bodies that are receptive to influence by the power elite. The themes then are picked up and rebroadcast by the mainstream media. Thus, what may seem to be the work of an independent institutional staff may actually be the brainchild of the power elite.
Concepts such as bird flu, Islamofascism and peak oil are so extensively promoted that much of the public unquestioningly accepts their fearful premises and demand action. Those with the wherewithal to provide solutions – products, services and corporate offerings via public markets – may earn vast profits as a consequence.
There is little contemporary scholarly analysis of the concept of the power elite, but it corresponds roughly to what once was called "the money power."
There are a variety of theories as to the composition and character of the power elite. It sometimes is referred to ominously as the "Illuminati," the "black church" or the "black nobility." It is not necessary to confirm such characterizations to recognize that the action and influence of modern money power are pervasive.
In most conceptions, the core of the power elite coalesces around the European and American banking dynasties and some elite, titled families, or it may be characterized as a "sub-church" within the Roman Catholic, Jewish or other religion .
In some conceptions, the power elite includes members who claim to trace their ancestry to ancient times, even to Babylon and beyond. This accords with the notion that members believe their pedigrees differentiate them from the "common herd."
Signifiers of power elite activity include a disdain of free-markets and the persistent and uncritical promotion of a theme or meme to the exclusion of contrary evidence or argument.
Posted by Rene' Descartes on 03/18/11 01:00 AM
The three questions the elite never ask
1)What am I? Not who, but what? The 'who', is your personality? The 'What', is your individuality or what some call Soul. Then again, what is Soul? You don't know, do you? If that is really what you are?
2)What is my real Purpose in life? Whatever you are doing in life, is it truly what you ultimately were ment to be doing with your life or with what you supposedly are?
3) How do I achieve my true purpose in life? How can I achieve what I am supposed to achieve in life, or learn, or be, or do, or think, with whatever I am?
You see, if you don't know what you are, and the reason for living, then how can you achieve what you are supposed to achieve with what ever you are, while you are still alive? The Primate body you use will die one day, but your conscious awareness will not. Make them think.
Posted by TK on 03/15/11 09:43 AM
Why are some of you attacking Dr. Machan? I for one have been wondering who the daily bell refers too and I appreciate any clarity. I wish they would do this more often, especially with a growing audience. If anything, it helps to educate new readers while strengthen awareness and a cause,
But why do some of you attack such questions? Why do you shoot the messenger if you don't like the message? Are you afraid of the answer? Are you arrogant enough to think that everyone knows? Or are you so petty that such questions offend you, as if you deserve it so. Perhaps these arguments are not actually about liberty but about an excuse for the hardship in your own lives.
If anything, you impostors discredit website like these. All of this talk of freedom and openness and yet all of this condemnation for asking a simple question.
Posted by Puck T Smith on 03/14/11 10:53 PM
Than you for the link to namebase. That appears to be a valuable resource.
Posted by Earl on 03/14/11 12:59 PM
The article is disingenuous in the respect that most universities preach the themes of the power elite. Now unless the good doctor is unaware of what is being taught to students in the West he has a case for his premise. Otherwise it must be seen as disingenuous and intellectually dishonest. The universities of America often regurgitate the themes of the UN, WTO, the IMF, the leftist media, so-called experts, etc. It would only seem reasonable that the people who own and control the central banks are at the heart of such schemes in effort to implement world government, which is actually an ancient goal attempted throughout human history.
Posted by Catevala on 03/14/11 12:41 AM
Tibor, I would only add one thing, this in answer to your question of 'where are these elites' ideas published'. On that score try perusing Foreign Policy, the product of an organization called The Council on Foreign Relatins.
Posted by AmanfromMars on 03/13/11 10:31 PM
"By its nature then, no attributions can be made, nor can there ever be objective proof such a plan exists, or that any part of it is completely known. Participants must individually determine the likelihood that any given analysis is valid, and if so, what use to make of it. It isn't science by any means and I don't think it would qualify as an academic discipline. I like to think of it as a sort of forensic anthropology." ..... Posted by Zenbillionaire on 3/13/2011 4:52:52 PM
Also known as Stealth, Zenbillionaire. And IT is a very powerful weapon and tool in deed, indeed. And such takes one into Enigmatic Code fields ....... where everything is cloaked to deliver a perception which is different enough from the reality to allow its existence to flourish unhindered and unnoticed for control of ITs Powering Assets ....... Source Core Lode .... which is surely what students and dons of forensic anthropology would be aspirant majors in?
Posted by Zenbillionaire on 03/13/11 04:52 PM
@ Dr. Machan
Oddly enough I had no idea you published your commentary anywhere other than here. Thanks for bringing my attention to your site, I will visit it directly and comment there going forward. Since this article deals with your relationship to this site I guess it's appropriate to respond here rather than there, but I will make an effort to copy it.
I agree with your position on attribution, I think its important to bring out specific quotes and particular names when you're critiquing some action or policy. When you say, "This disturbs me somewhat because even in short discussions of other people's views it would be appropriate to indicate what exactly those views are, how they are put by the very people who hold them (instead of by their critics)." I must agree.
However I don't think that can happen within the area of inquiry the Daily Bell focuses on, which attempts to divine the underlying plans of a cloistered group. This assumed design is intentionally occult. The premise is that it exists, but isn't openly discussed by those who've created it. It can only be inferred from other overt actions and policies.
By its nature then, no attributions can be made, nor can there ever be objective proof such a plan exists, or that any part of it is completely known. Participants must individually determine the likelihood that any given analysis is valid, and if so, what use to make of it. It isn't science by any means and I don't think it would qualify as an academic discipline. I like to think of it as a sort of forensic anthropology.
Posted by Gilbert W. Chapman on 03/13/11 02:25 PM
Daily Bell ~
If we pursue your line of reasoning, i.e. that not everyone is adept at math, nor willing to work within the other fields you have cited, what's left? And, who is to define what is "palatable"?
No job that I know of is "perfect". But, if we contrast what most people are subjected to today with what was available for the common man 200 years ago, "life", even if created by the elite, isn't all that bad today. Would you rather read with a candle or a 100 watt electric bulb, cross this country in a covered wagon or in an airplane, heat your home with wood, or have central heating with oil or gas? Would you rather be operating a bull dozer or building a road with a pick & shovel?
We all control our own destiny for the most part. What else do you want
Reply from The Daily Bell
"No job that I know of is "perfect". But, if we contrast what most people are subjected to today with what was available for the common man 200 years ago, "life", even if created by the elite, isn't all that bad today. Would you rather read with a candle or a 100 watt electric bulb, cross this country in a covered wagon or in an airplane, heat your home with wood, or have central heating with oil or gas? Would you rather be operating a bull dozer or building a road with a pick & shovel?"
DB: If you project current trends, you will find that much of what you mention under some sort of sustained bureaucratic attack. Already Smart Meters are being installed throughout the US that can monitor every kind of energy consumption so that energy companies will literally know what your living habits are minute-to-minute. It is not just monitoring that is going on; sooner or later there will be behavior modification based on what energy companies (and the government) perceive as your wasteful habits. It will be costly, confining and ultimately another step toward further social control.
As far as life not being "all bad" it is true that modern technology has made life better, but this is just what the elites are attacking today as they attempt to create evermore control and authoritarian centralization. You claim the light bulb is better than the candle; by government mandate all lightbulbs in the US are being exchanged for mercury filled ones. Do you think you have a choice?
You state that central heating by oil and gas is a good thing; but as we just pointed out, Smart Grid - an outgrowth of the Technocracy movement of the 20th century - is about to make your use of these products increasingly expensive and in some cases prohibitive.
You claim you "control" your own destiny. But you do not control money, which is issued out by central banks and is being inflated away at an ever faster rate; you do not own your own your home (try not paying taxes on it); you claim to find all of the above "palatable" but it is TRENDS that matter and the trends are unmistakable.
The US is entering a period of increased authoritarianism, where people are irradiated and groped if they try to fly and stopped at alcohol-related checkpoints if they drive for any length of time. Biometric IDs are on the way; along with other forms of increased social control.
To deny these trends is futile. The US - and the West - is less free today and will be even less free tomorrow, absent a major movement of civil disobedience or some other social convulsion that reverses these evolutions. Whether that will occur is unclear, but it is likely safe to say you will not be in the forefront of those demanding a rollback of decreasing civil liberties. You will be too busy controlling your own "destiny."
Posted by AmanfromMars on 03/13/11 01:36 PM
Yes, well, if nobody is going to do anything, other than talk endlessly around the subject of changing things, then I suppose we will have to expect others from elsewhere and anonymous ......... Click to view link .... to do what is needed, in an irregular and unconventional fashion?
Posted by Gilbert W. Chapman on 03/13/11 11:55 AM
Response to the Daily Bell ~
Shouldn't we also be asking:
(1) How many Americans are starving, rather than how many are on food stamps (by choice) relative to those who went to bed hungry night after night in the 19th century?
And, (2) How many people are voluntarily unemployed (refuse to take lower paying jobs), and inadequately educated because they (and their parents) failed to take advantage of the opportunities available to them? Let's get real here, since the Vietnam Era, very few Americans have been denied a college education because of a lack in financial resources. As a last resort, there's always the militaty, and, for all intents and purposes, a 'free' (GI Bill)college education afterwards.
My "alternative universe" says there are more opportunities today for women and minorities than ever before in the History of Mankind.
Unemployed as a recent college graduate? You are the one who decided to major in sociology (with a C average), rather than 'hard' engineering, medicine or nursing (with an A average).
Reply from The Daily Bell
(1) How many Americans are starving, rather than how many are on food stamps (by choice) relative to those who went to bed hungry night after night in the 19th century?
DB: We would tend to believe people in the US were MORE self-sufficient in the 1800s than they are today. We would tend to believe, especially before the Civil War (absent the issue of slavery) that there was probably LESS food insecurity in the US than today. We do not have statistics at hand. It is just our hunch, based on freer societies being more self-sufficient than less free ones. And the US is a great deal less free today than it was.
(2) How many people are voluntarily unemployed (refuse to take lower paying jobs), and inadequately educated because they (and their parents) failed to take advantage of the opportunities available to them? Let's get real here, since the Vietnam Era, very few Americans have been denied a college education because of a lack in financial resources. As a last resort, there's always the militaty, and, for all intents and purposes, a 'free' (GI Bill)college education afterwards.
DB: Actually nothing is so devalued in the US as a "college education." There are plenty who have one that cannot find work. And "higher education" with the exception of the hard sciences is merely a compilation of power-elite promotions dressed up as curricula. As far your suggestions go, you are dead on target. The entire US employment system these days is a kind of elaborate elite portfolio - if you are a lawyer, acct or other numerically adept individual you can get a job within the larger portfolio necessities of the power elite. Most so-called white collar jobs these days involve tracking power elite portfolios, litigating their differences of opinion, managing their industrial portfolios, etc. You are comfortable with working on an elite plantation and recommend it to others as if it is some sort of "opportunity."
My "alternative universe" says there are more opportunities today for women and minorities than ever before in the History of Mankind. Unemployed as a recent college graduate? You are the one who decided to major in sociology (with a C average), rather than 'hard' engineering, medicine or nursing (with an A average).
DB: Not everyone is math adept. Not everyone is able to work within the confines of power-elite portfolio management. Not everyone wishes to work within the context of power elite industrial parameters - building dysfunctional Volts that are selling out at the rate of 100 a year; or harvesting corn to make ethanol and starving developing countries in the process; or finding employment with a large oil company and spending time ensuring that big oil finds are hidden away from the press; or building windmills that are esthetic disasters and horrible to live near; or lobbying for more laws and regulations to oppress people; or joining the military and irradiating foreign countries. All of these are employment options. That does not make them good or even palatable ones.
Posted by Gilbert W. Chapman on 03/13/11 10:26 AM
Mr. Madden ~
Let's assume for amoment that you are 100% correct, that there really are 500 families or so the 'own America', OK?
Then, let's ask this question: Would I (a non-elite) be better off today if (as Hamilton feared) the world had been controlled by the humble masses, rather than 'creators' like Rockefeller, Carnegie, Gates? Certainly these men were no saints, but when I look at the only plausable alternatives, either the humble masses, or the likes of Hitler and Stalin, one way or another, i.e.unions,the net result has been very positive for for most people.
Ambitious Americans have always, and to this day, found ways to circumvent the evils of politicians. Granted, those 500 families are better at it than perhaps I am. But, with a little initiative, ambition, reasoning ability and a post high school education, there is little reason anyone cannot become comfortably wealthy in our society today. I couldn't care less about what the wealthy are up to.
Reply from The Daily Bell
Forty million Americans are on food stamps and close to the same amount cannot find steady employment - maybe more. You are living perhaps in an alternative universe?
Posted by Jacky Wilberts on 03/13/11 10:26 AM
I just could not believe what I what I was reading.Here is a man I held in high regard for so long just uttering sheer nonsense and denying an obvious reality: the world and History are literaly litered with powerful men and women wih shared interests striving to influence the course of events to their advantage.Did Dr Machan of late join the club of determinists? For people like me you have not recovered from the shock caused by Mr Tibor's statements we deserve, at the very least, an explanation or better yet a rationale.Please do so in the name of decency and intelectual honesty. Please.
Posted by Bill Madden on 03/13/11 09:33 AM
The source of world power are the banking families such as Rothschild, Warburg, etc. The source of American power are the five hundred or so families owning major equity in America's largest corporations in tax-free foundations:
Click to view link and offshore numbered accounts. Many of these families received start-up capital for their firms from the original international banking families.
By controlling the boards of directors, these corporations are used as cash cows to subsidize " "bribe" may be a more appropriate word " the activities of their minions.
Posted by Gilbert W. Chapman on 03/13/11 09:13 AM
Note to "lddy" ~
As one who lived in a small town (4,000 people), I couldn't agree with you more. And, during the past decade, I have lived in a town of 40,000, with the same rules applying.
However, there appears to be an assumnption that the "Power Elite" (also known as the "Town Fathers"), are by definition 'evil'.
If, in fact, there is a Power Elite, I doubt their influence, whether at the local level, with 6 or 7 ruling families, or on a global basis, with billions of people and dozens of nations, is all that significant. Let us not forget, that with the exception of the Roman Catholic Church, there are not many 'old guard' institutions left. One example should suffice.
George Washington was the Bill Gates of our nation 200 years ago, when it came to net worth. Where are the Washingtons now ? ? ?
Posted by AmanfromMars on 03/13/11 09:06 AM
The obvious answer would appear then to be to create a Global Elite, Doc. A simple group with both the brains and the financial muscle on tap/spped dial, to provide the fix for any eventuality and reality, virtually.
It is not as if it and IT are difficult rocket science. Hell, all it takes is a handful of smart souls and bright bods to ...... well, change the world and save the world is what is needed, methinks, you know.
Posted by Iddy on 03/13/11 08:48 AM
Naming names can be dangerous. You could be killed ,captured, wounded or discredited. To find who these "elites" are start with you own home town and follow up the ladder.In our local town the elites are well known.
They get there power from the "money" they have. AS childern imitate the Parents so little elites imitate there parents. Start from the bottom and work your way up. Question the farm hands to get to the farmer. The top is higher than we may think. I dont always agree with Doc. I also understand I may not have all the information. If he is not against us he is for us.
Posted by Gilbert W. Chapman on 03/13/11 08:12 AM
Because "plus signs" do not appear, my 'concepts' should read:
The concept of Jesus Christ, plus Imagination, equals Myth
The concept of Power Elite, plus Imagination, equals Myth
Posted by Gilbert W. Chapman on 03/13/11 08:04 AM
As a regular reader of "The Daily Bell", I find is interesting that two columns, an interviw with Tom Harpur, and another by Tibor Machan, apppear on the same day, with the same theme.
The concept of: Jesus Christ Imagination = Myth
The concept of: Power Elite Imagination = Myth
In essence, both are suggesting what Ayn Rand advocated: "Check your premises."
Posted by Peter Underwood on 03/13/11 06:36 AM
@The Good Doctor
Is it at all necessary to know who or what embodies the power elite (PE)? Suffice to know that all complex adaptive system networks, by their nature, are inherently hierarchical which logically implies that an Elite of 'Influencers' are entrenched at the pinnacle of the pyramid by the universal statistical rule of distribution as defined by Pareto. They exert their power in many factors greater than their numbers.
As the student fish said to the professor fish: "What is this thing called the ocean?"
We can never be entirely sure who the "Elite" are, because it depends where each one of us resides within the pyramidal structure and which way we are looking at any given time. Monty Python eloquently exemplified this point in their decades-old sketch "I look up to HIM, but I look down on him"............."and I know my place"
During my spell in South Africa it became very clear to me that, in the context of this particular country, I was part of the "Elite". When asked if: ..."I did the Lottery" " and having replied in the negative " the response was a revelation: "Ah, but of course not, you have already won the Lottery, YOU were born British".
Thus, as we are born, so we inherit the social networks which determine our individual perception of reality influenced by which way we choose to look. I understand that I am a member of a privileged minority of the world's population who has never faced hunger, conflict or deprivation of any, but a relatively trivial, kind during my "Boomer" lifetime and for this I am eternally grateful:
"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn,
I wish I was a moron,
My God, perhaps I am!"
anonymous insight (from Eugenics Review, 1929)
And so, Dr Tibor, perhaps in your view I would not qualify as a member of the "Elite", but my friend in Cape Town "knows different".
The Elite are always with us, even during the enclosure movement, though now through a rather different lens better accorded to our current cabal:
The law doth punish the man or woman
That steals the goose from off the common
But lets the greater felon loose
That steals the common from the goose
Posted by Adam on 03/13/11 04:53 AM
@Dr. Tibor Machan
The degree to which you understand 'anarchy', is the degree to which you can understand the who, how, and why of the Power Elite.
'I or any other citizen or subject must accept the rulings of government in our relations with others. We are required to abide by the law of this "third party." However, such a "third party" arrangement for society is non-existent among those who exercise the power of government themselves. In other words, there is no "third party" to make and enforce judgments among the individual members who make up the third party itself. The rulers still remain in a state of anarchy vis-a-vis each other. They settle disputes among themselves, without regard for a Government (an entity outside themselves). Anarchy still exists. Only whereas without government it was market or natural anarchy, it is now a political anarchy, an anarchy inside power.
...anarchy, like matter, never disappears " it only changes form. Anarchy is either market anarchy or political anarchy. ...anarchy is not completely abolished by government but reserved, so to speak, for the rulers only...'
Alfred G. Cuzan: Do We Ever Really Get Out of Anarchy? (PDF)
Click to view link
But, if you will not allow yourself such understanding...