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Eyewitness Tells Different Story of Bin Laden Death?
This Is The Truth – Osama Died In 2001 ... Muhammad Bashir told us something that no one said before. So we checked his identity card, we also confirmed that he really lives there, we asked the senior fellows about him. We were very astonished by his story just see and listen what he said. – snardfarker.ning.com
Dominant Social Theme: Bin Laden is dead and that's all you need to know.
Free-Market Analysis: We have no idea if this "Translation of Pakistani Video" (see above and below) is true or not. We present this alternative version because the real version is so unreal from our point of view. We are asked to believe that a man with Marfan Syndrome, kidneys that didn't work and apparently diabetes as well was gunned down in his underwear about ten years after he is said to have died.
We think one way or another it is all a Big Lie and have therefore been watching with interest to see what use will be made of this presumably phony death. We are beginning to see a pattern. We still believe that the powers-that-be intend to wind down the war in Afghanistan and will use the "death" to justify it.
It is increasingly necessary in our view because the fiction that NATO is winning the war is beginning to unravel badly. Only a month after repeated statements that NATO had put ruinous pressure on the Taliban some FOUR HUNDRED Taliban attacked a police outpost and were only repulsed after a vicious firefight. If this is the "reduced" Taliban, NATO might want to bring back the old version.
What is going on simultaneously though is that the Anglosphere elites, conscious they may have received a setback in Afghanistan that may spell the ends of their globalist hopes, are making an almost psychopathically aggressive play following bin Laden's so called death.
These new sub dominant social themes are advancing on several tracks. The first track apparently involves putting tremendous additional pressure on Pakistan for "hiding" bin Laden. This is intended to push Pakistan to "do more" to hunt down Taliban that are hiding and recuperating in Pakistan.
The second track has to do with ramping up the war elsewhere, say in Yemen, Syria and throughout other chosen spots in the Middle East. If the elites cannot pacify the Pashtun and the Punjabis they damn well will make everyone else miserable. That seems to be the logic at work, anyway. In fact there are signs that the elites may have a war in mind with Iran and that they are establishing a series of Islamic republics (and inciting tensions between Israel and the Palestinians) to help with this process.
Finally and most distressingly, the Anglo-American elites in their anger and despair are going to make the Western world an increasingly miserable place for their subjects. The West's great middle classes will pay for the apparent Afghan defeat a thousand times over through every conceivable kind of security measure. The police state that the elites now plan for the West as a result of bin Laden's death (and the potential for radical Islamic revenge) will make what has come before look positively amateurish.
It all has to do with Afghanistan in our view. The elites, having pursued this nonsensical war to the bitter end, are now lashing out in rage. Having failed yet again, one hundred years on, to conquer the "stans" (if this is the case, and increasingly it seems so) the power elite is left standing, metaphorically speaking, amidst the wreckage of its ambitions. It is impossible to rule the world when ten percent of it remains beyond your grasp.
It is impossible, for instance, to impose the world over ludicrous regulations such a "insider trading" (that weren't even crimes 30 years ago) and incarcerate people for up to 20 years or more when those being investigated can slip away to parts of the world that remain as yet unconquered.
The whole idea was to grasp every region of the world in such a way that any legislation that one wanted to pursue would apply internationally. To this end, central banks have been enforcing Draconian but little known currency bans and the United States' IRS and FBI (and CIA) have fanned out across the world. The plan was to civilize the Pashtuns and be done with it. Instead, Afghanistan and Pakistan remain aflame; the other (Russian-centric) "stans" remain unpacified as well as the unruly of Yemen and Somalia. It is not, perhaps, going as planned.
What is ironic is that the Pashtuns and Punjabis really hate each other. But the 25 large and wealthy families that run Pakistan have funded the Taliban and joined common cause with the Pashtuns to fight the invaders as they did 100 years ago. The result likely will be now, as then, a farcical de facto portioning of Afghanistan that will last as long as the Americans are willing to pay their billions to keep garrisons enforcing such a "peace."
In the meantime, the rest of the world is to pay and pay. Western elites, increasingly harried in our view by what is rapidly becoming an Internet Reformation that is changing the balance of information-power in the world, are perhaps plotting a much wider Middle Eastern war. This is the other part of the Osama-is-dead meme. But surely it is not an entirely a true one. Here are the main excerpts:
Anchor: Welcome back, Mohammad Bashir is a resident of Abboottabad's Bilal Town. Muhammad Bashir might seem an ordinary guy but he is no ordinary guy. Muhammad Bashir lives in front of Osama Ben Laden's house in Bilal Town Abbottabad. On 2nd of May, Muhammad Bashir was present on his rooftop from where he saw the whole American operation against Osama Ben Laden with his own eyes. Yesterday when our team was present In Bilal Town, Abbottabad, near Osama Ben Laden's hose, Muhammad Bashir came to us and said, "Sister, I need to tell you something, something that is a burden on my heart and soul," just listen to what he said.
Bashir: I am going to share something about the Abbottabad operation, which till this day nobody else has told you. ... We were awake, not asleep, a helicopter came, some men came down from that, into that house, then that helicopter went away: 10-12 men, then, that helicopter took rounds of those rear hills, then he came back and when he came back, two more helicopters arrived, one from the west and other from the north, there was a blast in the first helicopter and it was on fire ... we immediately came out, when we reached there, the helicopter was burning, then after about 20 minutes the army and police arrived. They pushed us back, now we are asking that if Osama was here then who took him to America because all those men that came in the helicopter died in the blast. Now if Osama was in that helicopter he must have died and got burnt in that helicopter too, then how they took him? This is a question of serious concern ...
We could see the faces of those men but they were speaking Pashto. I don't know whether they were Pakistani or American army or people of agencies, as you know that agency people can speak many languages. May be they were speaking Pashto so that we consider them Pakistani. They knocked and banged at our doors and told us not to come out. I laid down on my rooftop and was watching them. My kids were calling me, I told them to go to their rooms and let me check what's going on...
Anchor: One thing is very clear in this video. Two helicopters hovered never landed. One landed and dropped Pashto speaking people on the roof — 10-12 of them. The helicopter left for 20 minutes and returned to load people in and then a small blast engine failure ... fire helicopter parts all over. Body parts arms, legs, head, all over. Pakistani Army/Police came in dispersed crowd. The whole scene is cleaned up totally now. No evidence left to examine...
Conclusion: We don't have any idea if this is a reliable narrative, but what we do know is that the narrative as it is currently constituted makes little sense to us. It is not a good when the world's major superpower makes up stories, which is what we think is happening. There are still many questions about the death of bin Laden but you will find them neither asked nor answered in the West.
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Posted by amanfromMars on 05/18/11 04:31 AM
"You have a point, but ultimately, if you need funding, you must present your basis to many other people. And some of the people who you show your data are going to make a phone call/send an e-mail, and you will be through.
Why do you think they created all this inflation?" ..... Posted by Wayne on 05/17/11 09:11 PM
Quite so, Wayne, that is one way of doing it, and I don't question the result you explain.
However, whenever you have anything of significant note, is the better plan to present it to just the right person, who can do with it as they will, for you will have arrange with just that one person, that which you would have decided yourself is needed and desired and can be easily fed for that which is provided.
"Think like a banker here. After all, they run this system.
There are no coincidences!" ...... Quite, and they get just exactly what they deserve and require, and no more, but it is folly to imagine that they can provide anything more than just paper for an artificial worth perceived by the mad crowd as wealth. It is though an important function in such a primitive system though and works well enough until it is so blatantly abused as may the reason for its little difficulties and on-going deepening troubles now.
And if one is fortunate enough to be both smart and patient enough to wait and research and develop a system which prevents itself from being used and abused, whilst transparently sharing its views, does it give necessary valuable time for just that one right, equally smart and patient person to appear and make themselves known to you, so that an exclusive mutually beneficial business can be ....... well, created allows one the freedom to do as one will with the luxury of leading from the front with the backing of all that you need for feed behind you, cheering you on to heady new heights and luscious virgin green field sites.
To imagine that things cannot change and be also done in another beta and better way, is that which petrifies and destroys a system into believing that it is indispensable and invincible whilst even in the death throes of its own catastropic decline.
Have you noticed that in this age whenever one is so easily enabled to be able to communicate with anyone anywhere in an instant, do those who presume/assume themselves to be powerful and important, hide themselves away incommunicado, frightened to reveal their private thoughts lest they lead to action which reveals them ...... which makes a mockery of their supposed powers whenever its controls are so easily lost whenever their thoughts are transparently shared.
C42 Quantum Control Systems .... AI@ITsWork are designed to fix that systemic vulnerability, virtually, and that affords IT a not insignificant value/worth/price, methinks, which is easily met and recognised by just the right kind of smarter person, who may or may not be a banker, for some top bankers, as has been so very recently demonstrated and exposed by the media, are really incredibly stupid to have believed the hype that they might be indispensable and invincible.
That would appear to suggest that control of, and controls in IT and the media may easily trump and give one control of the money system, as well as the thoughts to be placed into the smarter animal kingdom/human race.
What do you know of MkUltraSensitive Global Operating Devices and SMARTer Advanced Manchurians into CHAOS Delivery from the Astute Stealthy Cloud IntelAIgents Interface?
Do you imagine it to be in IT, a Clouds Hosting Advanced Operating Systems fiction rather than a freely shared transparent future fact? And that is a question shared to ring the bells in y'all.
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Posted by Wayne on 05/17/11 09:11 PM
You have a point, but ultimately, if you need funding, you must present your basis to many other people. And some of the people who you show your data
are going to make a phone call/send an e-mail, and you will be through.
Why do you think they created all this inflation?
It prevents the little garage tinkerer from ever saving enough capital to be self financing. The system has to protect all the vested interests that support that system. Call it the Full Employment Bill,and and then use it to protect all the invested capital from being obsoleted by some upstart.
Think like a banker here. After all, they run this system.
There are no coincidences!
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Posted by amanfromMars on 05/17/11 11:22 AM
"So they determine who gets the money to fund/develop all these technological toys. Remember how expensive all this is." .... Posted by Wayne on 05/16/11 07:33 PM
Well, that is only part right, Wayne, for that determination is also dependent/co-interdependent upon a new evolutionary technology and/or disruptive and revolutionary methodology being made known and available to them, although the perception that is pimped and pumped, and beta tested here too, in that which is discussed and revealed on these excellent Daily Bell threads [and Entangled Quantum Communications Strings], is that they would be able and enabled to recognise a new global meme, which they would need to be funding to exercise a sort of remote control which allows them to retain their monied power base, via deep packet inspection analysis of signal and communication and open source intelligence as is shared between Intelligence Communities.
The tale that likes to be told, is that all information that is being shared electronically, is being analysed for subject matter of especial interest, and when "discovered", then targeted and tracked. That is one tall order though, which may be a complete fiction deliberately trailed and trialed to prevent and discourage alternative programs which challenge and destroy/question and usurp what they may have formerly, and probably not wrongly, considered to be their very own, impregnable and exclusive, elite fields of global control for money power/money controls for global power, but which nowadays, would not be right.
However, such a wait and see approach which relies upon second and third parties to provide the necessary information and intelligence upon which to act, in order to provide capture funding, is better circumvented by those active and expert in the field, and all are better aided by direct first party contact, lest establishment control is lost to ..... well, SMARTer Contenders and Renegade Pretenders are always waiting in the wings to take over painfully slow and old, failing systems.
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Posted by amanfromMars on 05/17/11 02:16 AM
"Seems the advantages lie with truth and the internet." .... Posted by rossbcan on 05/16/11 02:14 PM
Indubitably. And whenever the workings of both together are shared with Elites are any possibly ruined plans immediately and magically transformed into Novel Constructive Future Projects for the Powers that Be in IntelAIgently Designed Systems that Build ......well, Really SMART Programs.
And Really SMART Programs with AIDrivers for Virtual Instances and Practical Existences in Live Operational Virtual Environments, is a SMARTer Alien Programming that bugs and tracks Progress with Parallel Processing of Protocols and Parameters in CyberIntelAIgent Fields for Greater IntelAIgent Gamer Plays ..... gives truth an unassailable internet advantage.
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Posted by Wayne on 05/16/11 07:33 PM
"I have a question. Who has the financial might and the technological 'toys' that the Anglo-American/Rothschild clique have?
Not rhetorical question... I would like to know."
You won't like the answer, but here goes.
No One.
They rule the economy of the world.
So they determine who gets the money to fund/develop all these technological toys. Remember how expensive all this is.
Whether the US fails or not is not relevant to these people, for their continuance is assured. Whether they live in the Greek Isles, the mountains of Switzerland, or off the fjords of Norway changes nothing.
Since they own the money of the world, they can get/change citizenship and new identities as they need to.
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Posted by tawny on 05/16/11 05:38 PM
I have a question. Who has the financial might and the technological 'toys' that the Anglo-American/Rothschild clique have?
Not rhetorical question... I would like to know.
Yes the USA is slated to go down, as Great Britain had its day and then went down... but the Western bankers are not in trouble financially. So who has wealth and technological toys/weaponry to match their might?
An aside... I wish people would stop posturing and just 'be real' here... a little bit more. I get tired of the ego stuff. This is a non-major concern that will probably unleash a huge wave of response and that I should not even mention. But... it's really not about our egos... why make it be that? Way more is at stake here.
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Posted by CJM on 05/16/11 05:34 PM
By all accounts, bin Laden is like a cat--he has had 9 obituaries that began in Nov 2001. There could be some truth to the fact that bin Laden died prior to the last 'death,' since you really are not hearing much from the Middle East. Think about it. When the little pastor burned the quran there was rioting among the muslims in the ME; when a cartoonist publicized his work, reactionary muslims rioted; when another indivudal published a book there were immediate death threats---with the news about bin Laden, there was nothing and world leaders were slow to comment. Seems that if bin Laden was indeed killed in this last incident, there would be more of an outcry from the Middle Eastern muslims. Whatever and whenever--at least bin Laden's death is out in the open.
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Posted by Wayne on 05/16/11 04:58 PM
Perhaps the simple truth here is that most people want to hear some reassuring pablum, rather than face the truth that they are ruled by a bunch of crazies that could care less about what happens to us?
Any story that excuses them from from having to think about, or even worse, do something about the situation they are in, is the story they want to hear. Logic and facts have nothing to do with it!
A believer is a believer!
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Posted by Berthe on 05/16/11 03:12 PM
The official version is another crazy preposterous story, isn't it? Another. Here is a good take-down that makes a lot of sense. May 7, 2011 - Killing Osama - The Incredible Story is Not Credible
Click to view link
Briefly, the military would have never ordered hovering helicopters and SEALS rappelling down ropes because they would have been easy pickins for Osama with his always present AK47 and his minions with their RPGs left over from Charlie Wilson's War on the Russians. Whatever there was was a show; thats why they had Hillary and Obama et al sitting there watching it, because it was a show.
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Posted by rossbcan on 05/16/11 02:14 PM
"which ruins their plans"
Elites build systems of claimed distributed decision making where no one element can be held responsible (by their "laws"), but, the coordination of the whole adds up to: servitude.
The internet is a distributed system of information seekers / providers forming and breaking ad-hoc alliances on an issue by issue basis to target TRUTH at inherently fraudulent elite endeavors and, therefore destroy them.
Neither system can be destroyed without complete destruction and yet elites are just, if not more dependent on the internet as the people.
Seems the advantages lie with truth and the internet.
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Posted by amanfromMars on 05/16/11 01:55 PM
Being in Command and Control of the Global Narrative is the New and NeuReal Hot Cold War meme, and that is an Intelligently Designed Great Game which doesn't suffer fools at all in CyberSpace.
Spinning a yarn and hoping for a change and that IT will lead media with a rocking rolling program being written to capture hearts and minds, wallets and your blind obedient following is the ....... well, ab fab prize, most definitely.
But it is only easily done with the truth shared and impossible to do with it denied nowadays. And that is the bitter sweet lesson the old guard are struggling with ..... for it is a novel venture to them which ruins their plans?
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Posted by scousekraut on 05/16/11 01:25 PM
An interesting interview with Ian crane on RT in which he talks about Gadaffi and the Dinar and bin Laden charade.
Click to view link
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Posted by WorkingClass on 05/16/11 11:55 AM
Writing history is easier than rewriting it. Hence the tale of Little Black Rambo and the Boogyman. I hope y'all are right about leaving Afghanistan. But I notice that we are "discovering" things in the boogyman's nest that may require us to fund wars and give up civil liberties.
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Posted by philitarian on 05/16/11 11:31 AM
I don't really remember why at the moment, but I really distrust such polls and surveys.
How do they get such 'reliable, accurate' data anyways? Phoning in a few thousand seniors who haven't heard of neither Internet nor been exposed to one ounce of alternative news?
Why do smart people fall for stuff? Pollsters have self-interested agendas too.
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Posted by philitarian on 05/16/11 11:31 AM
I don't really remember why at the moment, but I really distrust such polls and surveys.
How do they get such 'reliable, accurate' data anyways? Phoning in a few thousand seniors who haven't heard of neither Internet nor been exposed to one ounce of alternative news?
Why do smart people fall for stuff? Pollsters have self-interested agendas too.
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Posted by loriewil on 05/16/11 09:56 AM
Whichever way you look at it bin Laden is dead BUT, more importantly, according to this article al Qaeda is still alive and relatively well:
"Pew Research: Support for bin Laden Had Declined but Remains Constant for al Qaeda" Click to view link
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Posted by John Danforth on 05/16/11 09:06 AM
We'll never know the real truth until the made-for-television re-enactment is aired.
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Posted by Bluebird on 05/16/11 08:33 AM
Gosh. I guess this is why Bill Clinton is calling for an agency to squash internet rumors. (And it has to be a non-government agency-like the BBC or NPR. Ha!)They can't get a way with anything these days.
It is hard to say what the truth is, but one thing for sure, we are NOT getting it. No one should doubt it is a lie. Many things would declare it but throwing the man overboard seals it for me. Also the DNA "proof" overnight, on board ship, no less. Someone messed up royally there. I guess the real lesson is, matters not if we believe, we are to know it is okay for them to kill whoever they want. We are not to question.
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Posted by Dave Jr on 05/16/11 07:57 AM
"count the cigarette butts on the ground"
Ha Ha Ha Ha!!
Back then they allowed smoking on the set. I love it.
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Posted by rossbcan on 05/16/11 07:03 AM
It was a general observation, as absurdities, in all areas, mount...
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