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Buffet's Partner Says America Is Finished

Tuesday, February 23, 2010 – by  Staff Report


Charlie Munger

Charlie Munger (pictured left with Buffet), Warren Buffett's longtime business partner in Berkshire Hathaway, warns in a new column that the U.S. economic empire is crumbling before our eyes, thanks to federal debt and poor planning. In an article penned for Slate.com, Munger uses the form of a parable to explain how Wall Street's love affair with gambling has destroyed America's Main Street. The article leads with this headline: "Basically, It's Over." The Berkshire Hathaway vice chairman describes the economic history of Basicland, which happens to match U.S. history. Early in its history, debt is unknown except for home mortgages and some consumer loans, and people live within their means. Speculation is discouraged, and commodities markets are small and tightly regulated. Under this rational system, economic growth skips merrily along at a steady 3 percent, Munger explains. Taxes are limited and pay for only "essential services" like fire protection, courts, and defense. Most taxes are collected on imports, and government spending matches that tax income. Debt via government bonds is limited. Then things take a turn for the worse. – NewsMax

Dominant Social Theme: Basically, blame Wall Street.

Free-Market Analysis: Here at the Daily Bell, we like to take a somewhat longer-term view. We think the course of humankind is somewhat circuitous, an argument between those who would control society for their own ends and a larger mass of humanity that simply seeks to live freely and realize their dreams. Thus, we find ourselves somewhat unsure about Mr. Munger's analysis. He seems to blame the difficulties the US is facing on the casino culture of Wall Street. But we wonder if it so simple. Here's some more of Munger's analysis:

"The extreme prosperity of Basicland had created a peculiar outcome: As their affluence and leisure time grew, Basicland's citizens more and more whiled away their time in the excitement of casino gambling," Munger writes.

Financial services soon grow to account for too big a portion of the economy, Munger says. "The winnings of the casinos eventually amounted to 25 percent of Basicland's GDP, while 22 percent of all employee earnings in Basicland were paid to persons employed by the casinos, many of whom were engineers needed elsewhere."

Then, a shock: Imported energy costs rise, and low-cost labor competition from abroad appears, Munger writes.

"Suddenly Basicland had to come up with 30 percent of its GDP every year, in foreign currency, to pay its creditors," Munger writes. The U.S. deficit – just the gap between spending and income in one year – is projected to hit $1.6 trillion in 2010. Total debt is project to exceed 100 percent of GDP starting in 2011.

In the parable, Munger strongly suggests that the United States take seriously the campaign of Reagan-era Fed Chairman Paul Volcker, who wants the big banks to cease pretending to be banks if they expect the freedom to trade securities on the side.

"He suggested that Basicland should strongly discourage casino gambling, partly through a complete ban on the trading in financial derivatives, and it should encourage former casino employees – and former casino patrons – to produce and sell items that foreigners were willing to buy," Munger writes. As the parable ends, none of the politicians listen, and Basicland turned into "Sorrowland," Munger concludes.

The problem with Munger's point of view – from OUR point of view – is that is seems to leave out a lot of pertinent history. We would argue that the problems America faces go back a long ways. They have to do in fact with the creation of the Federal Reserve, the graduated income tax, the growth of the federal government, the empowerment of the executive branch, the loss of power of the states (which began after the Civil War) and the rise of America's mighty military industrial complex which has supported the generation of nearly 1,000 military bases around the world.

America is truly an empire, though one can make the argument it is a bifurcated empire that includes Britain as well. One can also make an argument that an intergenerational power elite has worked patiently to hollow out what once was a republic with an eye toward creating a larger, international structure supported by America's military might. It is this perspective that we find lacking in Munger's parable.

When one examines the arc of Anglo-American history more closely, it is almost indisputable that America's and Britain's current situation did not occur by happenstance. It is the product of intensive labor by those who sought to consolidate power and wealth into fewer and fewer hands. The idea that Wall Street is to blame for the current state of affairs is simplistic in the extreme, we would argue. The problems that America faces go back at least a century or more. They began, in earnest, in fact, with the Civil War and the loss of the right of secession. Once the federal government had established primacy, the damage was essentially done.

Conclusion: We find it somewhat facile to maintain as Munger does that one can ban derivatives and otherwise tinker with the system – and then it will work again, at least after a fashion. In fact, we think that this perspective merely touches the surface of what is necessary. Basically, money must be returned to the private market through the kind of free-banking approach that was once the law of the land. This would of course include freely circulating gold and silver. This would go a long way to starving the US's vast regulatory democracy – including its bloated military and intel structure – one that spawns only more corruption and ruin every day. These would be substantive changes from our point of view. Munger's we would argue, would not.


NOTED: China tightens bank lending rule ... China tightens rules to strengthen control over bank lending. Banking regulators in China have ordered institutions to tighten controls on risk and carefully scrutinize borrowers' ability to pay their debts in a new step to rein in lending. The government's order comes as Beijing tries to prevent excessive lending that it says could lead to financial problems while ensuring adequate credit to keep the economic recovery on track. Chinese leaders worry that a stimulus-driven torrent of lending is fueling a dangerous bubble in stock and real estate prices. Beijing has ordered banks to set aside additional reserves and to keep lending stable, but the central bank has avoided raising interest rates, which might slow down growth. – Yahoo ... (Ed Note: The Bell has written about the impending Chinese bubble on numerous occasions. It is far too late for the Chinese leadership to "tighten." The bubble, in our opinion, will burst.)

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Posted by Shocked on 2/23/2010 2:47:03 AM

I'm disappointed by your coverage of Munger's salient and well written piece. Perhaps it is your opinion that there are other parts of the system that need change, but I don't feel you've given enough credit where it's due.

Pieces like this which actually lend mainstream support to these ideas should be lauded, not shot down for "not going far enough". This critical attitude does nothing but work to further relegate the Bell into the "lunatic fringe of the internet" as far as the real world is concerned.


Reply from the Daily Bell:

We don't agree with Munger. We think Wall Street is a symptom not a cause, and that America faces far greater issues than whether or not to reconfigure its commercial banks. Congressman Ron Paul ran for president on the Republican ticket talks, and he speaks to these issues regularly as do many in the American Tea Party movement. Is the entire conversation on the "lunatic fringe?" Munger might think so.

Posted by ShockedNot on 2/23/2010 4:14:07 AM

The issue is not Wall Street but the history of a country that is not what it was. This sees to straight the bottom of it. Good job!

Posted by Michael Ponzani on 2/23/2010 4:23:31 AM

Volcker was part of the problem from long ago. He was kith and kin to the bankers as he worked for Rockefeller in between his stints doing government service. He became a Trilateralist. In an enormously long article in Lew Rockwell for 2-23-10, Andrew Gavin Marshall explains this.


Reply from the Daily Bell:

Thanks. Rockefeller's "go to" guy?

Posted by Rev. Dean Kavouras on 2/23/2010 4:33:34 AM

Dear Daily Bell you know how much I love you all, but I don't like your new 'wallpaper.' It's not in keeping with your simple, straightforward message.

Please don't go into the entertainment business at this late date, no need to play that yesterday game, it's your brilliant writing we love and can't get enough of. Thank you.


Reply from the Daily Bell:

Thank you. The wall-paper is background. The writing won't change. Though we will always try harder ...

Posted by Buster Bucani on 2/23/2010 7:48:51 AM

Munger's piece certainly defines an important causative element (itself a symptom) of the coming economic collapse of the US. The repeal of Glass-Steagall, little more than a decade ago set the stage for the denoument.

This repeal had been vigorously lobbied for over generations by banking interests... in fact since the Pecora commission of 1932 uncovered a litany of abusive actions by banks. Glass-Steagall of 1933 forestalled their re-occurrence. Ditto for derivatives. Watch the PBS interview with Brooksley Born who fought to install oversight of the OTC market

(Click to View Link;.

Another symptom. So I feel that The Daily Bell's analysis is correct in that Munger ignores the disease which cannot be treated through extirpation of symptoms alone!


Reply from the Daily Bell:

We don't believe that government regulation ever "helps" the market. In our opinion banks - big or little - would function just fine in a free market environment with honest money. In fact, there wouldn't be nearly as many banks. The banking industry exists in a perpetual bubble, courtesy of the Federal Reserve. All the regulatory tinkering is intended to perpetuate the bubble. But history tells us what eventually happens to bubbles ...

Posted by TeresaE on 2/23/2010 10:47:40 AM

DB, you are so right. Government regulation never "helps" anything. The entire premise of American government has been reduced to slapping band-aids on symptoms. Then scrambling for a new box of them when the inevitable happens and the side effects (or "unforeseen circumstances") pop up.

What we always need to remember, and do, is to follow the dollars. To expect someone that has so greatly benefited by the status quo to come up with ideas to "fix" it, is insanity at its finest.

The same brand of insanity that currently has Americans believing that those that created the disaster (health care, Wall St, banking, war, War on Drugs, vaccines, etc) can "fix" the mess they created. Insanity is going to reign until it can reign no more. Hopes, wishes and more government regulation won't stop what I now view as inevitable.


Reply from the Daily Bell:

Yes, there comes a tipping point ...

Posted by BILL WOLF on 2/23/2010 11:34:28 AM

Banks win when the economy is good, the banks win when the economy is bad, the banks win in peace time, the banks win during wars.

Why did we bail out banks, that are now paying bonuses?

It is proven that banks are the cause of this crash that has happened, look at Greece, Portugal, Ireland, who have them the line of credit, and who showed them how to manipulate derivatives, greed in banking caused the recession, with bad loans, they knew where bad, but that is why they bought insurance, they could not lose, only those who signed on the dotted line lost, homes,savings,and thier jobs, but the bankers are still working and getting paid more than ever.


Reply from the Daily Bell:

It is mercantilism, the ruinous relationship between banks and government that is the problem, not private enterprise.

Posted by Nanoo Visitor on 2/23/2010 11:39:39 AM

Speaking of following the dollars, Wall Street may still fancy themselves to be titans, re:Wall Street bonuses rose 17 to $20.3 bln in 2009 [ MarketWatch ]02/23/2010 11:17


Reply from the Daily Bell:

Wall Street will thrive until it stops receiving preferred treatment from Washington.

Posted by Vicky Davis on 2/23/2010 12:58:00 PM

What Munger leaves out of his tale is the British invasion of Basicland. The Brits brought their Fabian Socialists and Economists - coupled with their bankers and insurance protection racketeers to Basicland and that's how the people of Basicland came close to losing it.

But Basicland is not lost, the Basiclanders just need to be educated on who the real enemies of the world are. They need to be educated in the methods of these British deceivers. And once the real history is known, the real enemies of the world need to be taken down - permanently because they are too evil to be allowed influence in the world.

Posted by Mark Y on 2/23/2010 2:56:28 PM

The below was recently posted by Ann Coulter. Could the neocon hold on the Republican party be losing its grip?

"Coulter: Only 3 Republicans Should Speak at Healthcare Summit by Ann Coulter 02/23/2010 President Obama's plan for the bipartisan health care meeting this Thursday is to make Republicans look ridiculous, so Republicans need to shock the world and send their most attractive politicians.

Republicans are generally incapable of doing this. Democrats have no problem sacrificing individual egos for the long term goal. They think about winning, Republicans think about getting air time. Sen. Mitch McConnell is going to have to put his foot down. Republicans should send in Sen. Jon Kyl, Rep. Ron Paul (a doctor) and Steve King.

They are all telegenic, understand the free market solutions to health care and we know they won't give the store away. No other Republicans should be allowed talk.

"Click to View Link


Reply from the Daily Bell:

Yes, Ann Coulter has suddenly become a Ron Paul fan. Bizarro world.

Posted by Brother E.L.D Big-E on 2/23/2010 3:46:01 PM

According to Prov.22:26-27. v.26. Be not one of them that are gamblers, or of them that are users of credit. v.27. If you have nothing to pay, why should he take away your bed from under you?

It is plain to me that if you take God out of the picture, and dissobey His word, then you will as a result not only lose your shirt, but lose your house as well. I'm not into politics, but let the truth be known what has caused our demise. Call a spade a spade please.

Posted by Joe on 2/24/2010 7:12:11 AM

Well.., we remember what the grand "States Rights" idea got us...an economy dependent upon Human bondage, and a industry (cotton) that supported the entire economy.

States rights needed to be tempered with that of the will of the people of the Union. The problems now faced by the USA is a banking/corporate cabal that is ruthless at it's core. Whose prime directive is power and control through massive debt.

Allowing a corporation to be considered a citizen....indeed. There's your problem in a nutshell.This is no Republic for the people, it's a Republic for the corporation.

Posted by Clint on 2/24/2010 7:19:31 AM

I have just done a 8 month stint in the US setting up a company with a US partner. I was quite amazed at the higher level of consumption and waste there. A typical home for a family of 2 was at least 2 times larger then anywhere in Canada. In my opinion I also found that many of the staff at this company loved getting a check but we're very casual about pushing the companies abilities ahead. I noticed that almost 80 of goods bought by the average consumer we're those from China and India.

Seems to me the US has lost it's drive to produce products in the US as it's easier to buy a cheaper product (Literally)from these 2 vast nations of hard workers. The American dream is alive in China. I spend alot of time there and have witnessed almost all people having the goals that N Americans had not so many years ago.

We need to re-establish our priorities as countries that produce new and quality products. China is growing but the quality is still very questionable. This is our opportunity to do as they have and take their ideas and create good quality products.The debts of the government and the people of the US is astronomical and again in my opinion non-recoverable. New regs that protect those who over spent their budgets is only going to make it worse for America. It will show that they will wipe debts clean without worries...... But the rest of the world is watching.

Posted by Fakshon on 2/24/2010 7:28:52 AM

Too bad Ron Paul didn't win the nomination and the election, we would be on a better road I believe. I really do wish he would run again or run for Governor of Texas at least Texas still has the right of secession, let us out of this lunatic house.

Posted by Massachusetts on 2/24/2010 9:43:44 AM

Interesting that health care was mentioned in one of these posts. Here is a link to the Boston Globe which is a very liberal newspaper. The funny thing is many Republicans are looking to adopt what Massachusetts has done for health care however this article speaks volumes of underlying issues of affordable health care for everyone.

"First, it has not achieved universal healthcare, although the reform has been a boon to the private insurance industry. The state has more than 200,000 without coverage, and the count can only go up with rising unemployment.

Second, the reform does not address the problem of insurance being connected to jobs. For individuals, this means their insurance is not continuous if they change or lose jobs. For employers, especially small businesses, health insurance is an expense they can ill afford.

Third, the program is not affordable for many individuals and families. For middle-income people not qualifying for state-subsidized health insurance, costs are too high for even skimpy coverage. For an individual earning $31,213, the cheapest plan can cost $9,872 in premiums and out-of-pocket payments. Low-income residents, previously eligible for free care, have insurance policies requiring unaffordable copayments for office visits and medications.

Fourth, the costs of the reform for the state have been formidable. Spending for the Commonwealth Care subsidized program has doubled, from $630 million in 2007 to an estimated $1.3 billion for 2009, which is not sustainable.

"Click to View Link/

Sorry for being long winded but this is going to kill the economy despite cuts and taxes.


Reply from the Daily Bell:

The economy is already terrible in the US. Any additional government programs, especially healthcare, can only make it worse.

Posted by Joe on 2/24/2010 10:54:06 AM

"Reply from the Daily Bell:The economy is already terrible in the US. Any additional government programs, especially healthcare, can only make it worse."

Isn't that like saying.."We need to bail out Banks or they won't be able to enjoy their 2009 $20 Billion in bonuses."

This nation needs to correct it's priorities, and the US taxpayer should be at the top of the list. That's before Banks, corporations, Wars, or foreign aid. End welfare except for all EXCEPT elderly US citizens (no recent immigrants).

We spent the better part of our history with out welfare in this nation. End massive Third world illegal immigration allowed here at the behest of corporations strangle hold on the nation. Thus costing the taxpayers and the nation lead in education and adding tens of billions in costs to States like California.End lobbying for politicians.

As the largest economy in the world...with a destroyed manufacturing base as a result of chasing the cheapest worker around the world, commence tariffs on non competitive manufacturing...i.e China. That's what they do to the US via their currency.

Citizens of the richest economy in the world deserve affordable healthcare, they deserve a job with a pension...they deserve all the things that they paid the thieves of Wall ST. who jump from Wall St. to the Federal Reserve to the Treasury Dept. US Citizens have spent close to a Trillion dollars and got zip improvements to their lives.Like Jefferson advised...

Democracy dies with out reminded Washington who's in charge every so often.

Posted by Bill Petta on 2/24/2010 11:00:46 AM

Sure, he has been wildly successful and you think you know more about markets,culture. What credentials in life do you have to be so smug and essentially arrogant. Wow!

Posted by Hugh Jarce on 2/24/2010 11:09:58 AM

When the economy is good, there is the Daily Bell telling us it is going to turn bad, when the economy turns bad, there is the Daily Bell telling us it is going to get even worse.

The assumption is always negative, and it uses current factors to predict a future state, always assuming that there is no dynamic at play.

Right now the DOW is back over 10,000 and the dollar is literally stomping all over the Euro and Pound on the intenrational exchange. Housing and jobs will eventually recover too, expect to see something before the end of 2010. We will do just fine, and the Daily Bell will continue to make print by telling us that the sky is literally hanging by a single thread.

Posted by GD D-(A)-ve Rush on 2/24/2010 11:24:42 AM

I'm truly personally sorry things are so bad now, as far from my personal fault as it may be. That said, whenever I read articles like this, it reminds me of how interconnected we all are, and how our struggles effect one another. There are things we can all change- luxuries we can snip out of our routines. Even a starving artist like myself. I'm going to stop drinking that fiji purified water I like so much.

I dare you fat cat economic analysts to even CONSIDER doing such a thing. Gee. If everybody just changed ONE BAD HABIT... one of the many things that might improve includes lowering our contempt for one another. As much as I hate corruption, I'm still sorry things had to go the way they have been. And you know, they'll stay like this, or get worse, until we learn...

Posted by Albertovich on 2/24/2010 1:59:27 PM

I read somewhere that the US would fall but thru its Economy and not by some WAR. Like all Empires.

Posted by Julia on 2/26/2010 2:50:48 AM

Anyone ever hear of a book called "The Planned Destruction of America" written in the early 1990's?

That's what's happening...through implementation of Cloward-Piven strategies outlined in the '60's. All part of the global economic leveling that's going on from one country to the next...

Posted by Jerry Welch , Author on 2/28/2010 11:59:36 PM

Just one (your) sentence says it all. "it is the product of intensive labor by THOSE who sought to CONSOLIDATE POWER AND WEALTH into fewer and FEWER HANDS."

Munger's points are valid; the Daily Bell's points are valid; but they (points, events, whatever) are all channeled through a CORPORACRACY (a marriage of government and corporations) which is comprised of THOSE who seek to consolidate power and wealth.

Posted by David on 6/15/2010 1:33:11 PM

I have not read this article. I think America is financially fu--ed and they have an even bigger more incompetent dic--ead for a president in Obama than any other.

I have been around the states in 2009 and it was weird to go places that were so quiet and economically dead.

A lot of infrastructure in America is old and warn out and God damn American cities stink of the underground sewers!

Don't see how America will crawl out of this debt hole they're stuck so far down in.

America has not modernised enough and embraced nuclear power.

You cant even find a fu--en public toilet in big American cities its a fu--en joke!

And for Obama to be elected and then burrow huge amounts of cash from China and Russia and Saudi Arabia to help bail out huge inneficient outdated usedby company fu--ups like GM!!!

This guy was full of s--t before he got elected and it was obvious for all to see ...


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How do you really feel?

Posted by Richard Thorpe on 6/28/2010 2:27:58 PM

Thanks to greed immorality the lies and corruption of the government and the church has brought down America. Americans are the most stupid nieve and dumb to know what is really going on. I think Americans are the biggest dumbclucks on the planet.

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