Secession's Violent Subtext
"Post-election secession talk misses the point," writes the Nashua Telegraph in a guest editorial from The Keene Sentinel. It pulls together a lot of secessionist strands from around the United States.
The Telegraph's coverage of this movement is both condescending and instructive. It provides us with a power-elite emergent dominant social theme: "Secession is for sore losers." A subdominant social theme would be that it's not going to work anyway.
We've always expected the Internet – what we call the Internet Reformation – to present itself in increasingly radical ways. Secession fits the bill. And because secessionist movements are gathering momentum, the powers-that-be are starting to pay attention. Boxed at the beginning of the editorial are both a background and conclusion regarding this theme, as follows.
BACKGROUND: The re-election of President Barack Obama has prompted petition drives across the country for states to secede from the nation.
CONCLUSION: Their effort ignores the fact that the people have spoken – at the polls last week – and will have the opportunity to do so again every time an election rolls around.
I take exception to this whole idea that "because the people have spoken," secession movements are in a sense illegitimate. The editorial is written to make just that point, though. It states that US citizens want to leave the country because of the reelection of Barack Obama. They either want to move abroad or help their states secede.
The editorial also allows us to understand the breadth of this movement. It tells us that "a series of citizen-driven petitions for more than three dozen states to withdraw from the U.S. have been created on the White House's "We the People" petition website, most of which were filed after the election.
According to the editorial, the demographic is broad: "Conservative-leaning strongholds in the West and South, along with some states that went for President Barack Obama last week, including New York, Virginia, Wisconsin and California."
And actually, it's not three-dozen states but 40! Petitions that get 25,000 online signatures in a month are also due to receive a formal response from the Obama administration. It's not clear how detailed the response will be or even how lengthy.
The editorial goes on to give us more detail about the various petitions:
Texas' petition has met that threshold, with more than 74,000 signatures Wednesday, as has Louisiana, at more than 29,000. Other states close to the mark included Florida, at well over 22,000, and Georgia, with more than 21,000.
A petition calling for New Hampshire's secession posted on the site Sunday has more than 3,300 signatures so far. Also, a group of Granite Staters told the Concord Monitor this week that it incorporated earlier this year with a goal of educating and informing residents about "the benefits" of separating from the rest of the country and going it alone.
While the editorial initially treats these secession movements as a form of "sour grapes," toward the end it gives the position of the filers, which seems to have more to do with history and a concern over the way great nations fail than dislike of President Obama.
It quotes the directors of the Foundation for New Hampshire Independence as comparing the US to Rome just before the Roman Empire was invaded and sacked. The idea is that the high taxes and high deficits were what militated most against the Empire.
Eventually, citizens refused to pay taxes and refused in basic ways to cooperate with the continuation of the state. It had simply become too antagonistic to its own citizens and too corrupt to warrant further support. The "barbarians" were able to sack Rome because the Romans did not wish to salvage their "civilization."
But having alluded to some of this, the editorial returns to its main point: that secession will never take place in the US. "Never mind the fact that odds are slim to none that these petitioners and advocates for secession will succeed in their cause, as the Supreme Court ruled more than 15 decades ago that secession is not provided for in the U.S. Constitution and is illegal."
Most tellingly, the editorial proposes that secession efforts ignore the will of the people and their ability to vote at regular intervals. It is voting, the editorial maintains, that gives people the chance to remove incumbents. "That's the democratic process," we're told cheerily. "Just because your guy or party loses this time around, doesn't mean you throw in the towel and start all over again."
What would be the result if by some chance secession took place? "The country would be fractured into a network of thousands of tiny fiefdoms by now." Personally, I think that would be great! Devolution is greatly to be wished for. It is unification and centralization that is adversarial to freedom generally. The bigger the US empire gets, the more oppressive it becomes.
Here's how the editorial concludes: "Those drafting and signing petitions to break away are exercising their right to free speech, but sadly what they're speaking out against is not only the current administration, it's democracy in general."
What a statement. We're supposed to believe that trying to opt out of an increasingly militaristic and oppressive empire is somehow anti-democratic?
While the editorial generally has been helpful in shedding light on the growing momentum of this secession movement, it is perhaps this last statement that is most revealing of all.
It's purely and proudly illogical. Why is the editorial maintaining that secession is anti-democratic? The most profound kind of (republican) democracy is exercised locally.
No doubt, however, these sorts of arguments will be dragged out once again as the secession movement grows. It is, of course, an evolution of the much-maligned Tea Party movement that has been left for dead. Surprise! It's not.
What is going on in the US is both profound and empowering. It is going on in Europe, too. And it is nothing like the protest movements of the 20th century. Thanks to the Internet, these movements are a good deal more informed and savvy.
There are some who maintain that the current explosion of secessionist petitions is actually an organized false flag – a promotional mechanism of its own. But if that's the case, I say, "Bring it on." One can attempt to control the dialectic but in the Internet era, these sorts of elite mechanisms are increasingly likely to spin out of control.
We do read in this editorial a warning of what is to come. The power elite behind globalist bigness will resist splintering tendencies at all cost. One hundred and fifty years ago they mounted a war to stop it. Violence lurks in the subtext of this editorial.
Posted by Leave me be on 12/03/12 05:46 PM
Instead of wasting time posting traitorous thoughts on a Government website, those interested in "secession" should invest some money and purchase Volume 1 of the United States Code. They should then study the four published Organic Laws found in that book. Most people who call themselves American cannot name the 4 Organic Laws and therefore have little understanding of what the United States is or how it operates. You cannot manage things you do not understand. Read all 4 Organic Laws in order keeping in mind these historical and legal facts:
1. The Colonies stated the reasons for getting rid of the King, the legitimate roles of government, and its proper function (by consent of the governed) in the First Organic Law, the Declaration of Independence. Each freeman was his own King.
2. The States formed a confederacy known as the "United States of America" and a federal government that had no property, territory or citizens/subjects with the Articles of Confederation of 1777 (the Second Organic Law).
3. The Treaty of Paris granted a war prize of territory and people (the land northwest of the Ohio River) on that land when the King lost the war to the confederacy, the United States of America.
4. The Northwest Ordinance (The 3rd Organic Law) established a temporary system of government for the territory owned by and under the exclusive legislative power of the United States of America.
5. The Third Law and the Fourth Law (The Constitution of the United States) were being contemplated at the same time.
6. A preamble, as found in the document known as the Constitution of the United States has no legal effect.
7. Not all of the States were present at the so-called "Constitutional Convention" of 1787.
7. Most of the land that comprised the Northwest Territory (and land of a similar nature - owned by or subject to the exclusive legislative power of the United States of America) was sold (e.g. Louisiana Purchase, treaty/stolen land from various Native tribes, Mexican and Russian lands from war and treaties.
8. The owner sets the terms of the agreement.
Posted by seanmPWH on 11/26/12 08:36 PM
Nobody can convince me that we need the Federal government. Small sovereign city-states are the best way to prevent corruption. Right now the New World Order is trying to convince the Euro nations to give up their sovereignty and merge under central control, this echoes what happened to the American colonies at the advent of the Constitution - a centralist document that tends toward aristocratic power.
initiator of the Pennsylvania petition for secession.
Posted by Reader on 11/26/12 05:05 AM
Know what the the best way to secede is? Stop paying / sending Federal taxes to the Capital aka Washington, DC aka Department of Communists.
Posted by 1776 on 11/23/12 03:30 PM
General Wesley Clark: Because I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/11.
About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, "Sir, you've got to come in and talk to me a second." I said, "Well, you're too busy." He said, "No, no." He says, "We've made the decision we're going to war with Iraq." This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, "We're going to war with Iraq? Why?" He said, "I don't know." He said, "I guess they don't know what else to do." So I said, "Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?" He said, "No, no." He says, "There's nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq." He said, "I guess it's like we don't know what to do about terrorists, but we've got a good military and we can take down governments." And he said, "I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail."
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Posted by Edgar Friendly on 11/21/12 02:59 PM
I can say unequivocally that the Nashua telegraph is most certainly a staunch Marxist publication; and the Keene Sentinel is obviously a 'bird of a feather'
The Nashua telegraph published an article about me personally, because, as write Andrew Wolfe said" Mr.' ' shared disparaging words about President Barack Obama." just more attacks upon conservative people from the left; in keeping with Alinskyite protocol. I am currently in Superior court for the tort of libel from this newspaper and the Laconia Daily sun.
The liberal's in the American press will not stand for anything other than glowing praise for thier Golden Calf, Odumba. The Globalist's puppet. And those marxists in Amerika might not be pleased with the outcome of an economic collapse in America as the 'silent majority' has been stockpiling small arms and ammunition for about fifteen to twenty years now, depending upon the individual's level of awareness of the globalist's manipulations in America. Progressives, marxists, communists, collectivists should take note ; historically, the 'Tories' were not thought well of after the American revolution. Personally, if they admire statism and socialism, we should deport them all to the socialist country of thier choice, load the cattle cars and container ships and rid the land of communists from sea to shining sea. I'm down with that!
Posted by aikishugyo on 11/20/12 02:54 AM
"Decades of habitual thinking are hard to break; and that is what most people are dealing with in coming to grips with the massive cognitive dissonance of the modern world.
It is quite difficult to deal with when you find out that nearly everything that you have been tought for your whole life is a lie."
My thoughts exactly. If you don't mind, I'll take this quote and put it up on my FB page, where I often put links to DB articles and related YouTube videos.
Posted by WorkingClass on 11/19/12 10:34 AM
The Petro Dollar is in it's last throws. Yet I find little discussion of what Post Imperial America will look like. I am certain we will balkanize. Washington will be unable to occupy the United States. Even at it's present strength it cannot passify Afghanistan. Amerian citizens dependancy on our federal government will not hold us together when Washington can no longer deliver. Nobody will want to remain subject to the Fascist Police State that is our Federal Government.
The people of Colorado have legalized marijuana for recreational use in direct violation of federal law. How many divisions will Abraham Obama need to occupy Colorado? Nullification and secession (not revoloution) will characterize Post Imperial America.
Democrats and Republicans will remain loyal to Washington. They are on the wrong side of history. They will be remembered as the people who ruined the country and terrorized the world before drowning in their own ignorance and bile.
Thanks for all you do Mr. Wile.
Posted by rossbcan on 11/19/12 07:21 AM
"Any insights into how to deal with this?"
"In brief, sir, study what you most affect."
Start with the fact that you claim to be a deer caught in the headlights (of fake elite propaganda / terror), paralyzed to inaction. Step aside, embrace and understand the terror, let it waft through, past and behind you. Only YOU will be left, with a clear head able to do what I initially suggested.
The Bene Gesserit Littainy against Fear.
Pg 19 of Dune
I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
Gotta love Frank Herbert. There is a reason that elites merged the Science Fiction (trends speculation, within scientific plausibliity) and Fantasy (delusional dreams) genres. To mix truth with BS, thus dilluting truth. They did the same with "Social Alleged Science".
Posted by DarbyJie on 11/18/12 06:22 PM
Thanks for your helpful reply. :)
It is psychologically very painful to sit/stand/work/live when one is simply a "sitting duck". Just waiting, like a pathetic sheep, for the crazy nutcases to 'get to _our_ block'... SIGH. This is *very bad* for one's self-esteem, as I'm sure THEY are well aware. As you've explained so eloquently, it's human nature to strike back at those who are hurting us ... yet that's exactly what we are unable to do.
Any insights into how to deal with this, rossb? (would be much appreciated)
Posted by rossbcan on 11/18/12 03:24 PM
"So I wonder: What would X do?
You are X. THEY want something from you, a loss (decrease in survival) for YOU, profit (increase in survival) for THEM. Is this tolerable?
I KNOW what THEY want from me. YOU know what THEY want from YOU. Make it so there is no "proceeds of crime", within your own diverse environment. Ayn Rand was a trailblazer, but, did / does not have all the answers, nor does anyone. The person in the best position to provide answers for YOU, is YOU. Just don't attempt to impose them on (apart from self-defence) anyone else.
The "Declaration of Independence" was a CHOICE, supported by a diverse group of serfs whom EACH wanted freedom on their own, but different from all others terms. To be left alone, free of predators cannot EVER happen so long as predation is tolerated to yield a profit, for predators.
Hence, the "rule of law", as opposed to "rule of THEM":
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There is no "one size fits all" philosophy. Don't bother looking. Any "philosophy" that manages to convince fools that it is grounds for initiating aggression leads right back to where we are, here and NOW.
Be neither predator, nor prey, nor tolerate others to be. Only then can there be peace and civilization.
Posted by DarbyJie on 11/18/12 12:38 PM
"Action / Inaction will spawn consequences integrating to tomorrow's reality, as today's reality reacts to forces applied, by all parties. Today's reality is a consequence of past actions / inactions, by all actors."
Ayn Rand, assessing this dangerous public indifference, invented a character named John Galt, and thus initiated a response to tyranny called "Going Galt." It makes sense; if you DO NOT produce, what would be left for the looters to loot --
Unfortunately, this solution is not working as well in today's reality as it did in that fictional world, there being several complicating factors, one of which being that the Looters are DELIBERATELY destroying our economy; one wonders what response AR would recommend were she alive today... hmm.
That we are also dealing with psychopathy, rather than the comparatively more benign unbridled Greed of 'Wesley Mouch's' world, testifies to the mind-bending nature of the present dilemma.
So I wonder: What would AYN RAND do? Would she still advocate that Atlas 'SHRUG'... or... perhaps a better PLAN for present circumstances. Given the declining prospects of our present course, I would venture the latter.
Answers may lie in harking back to our FIRST Revolution, methinks.
Posted by Danny B on 11/18/12 12:06 PM
@Mava, you're quite incorrect. Read Richard Feynman.
Posted by daddy warbucks on 11/18/12 11:44 AM
"globalist bigness will resist splintering tendencies"?
or they may enable it? What better way to dissolve something than by breaking it up first? "United we stand, divided we fall".
The globalist elite's goal is to end sovereignty (except the "supranational sovereignty of the intellectual elite and world bankers") of nations and major depopulation (ref: Georgia Guidestones).
Posted by mava on 11/18/12 11:16 AM
Whenever you have an honest partner, that partner will never object to you withdrawing from a relation voluntarily.
But, if you happen to have a parasite partner, he will insist that you do not withdraw.
This could be used as a litmus test of parasitism. To anyone but a parasite, the relation had already lost it's meaning if the other partner wants to leave. Holding the other party hostage fixes nothing, the union stopped existing the moment it stopped being voluntary.
The fact that there is even an argument anywhere but in the seceding state about thew secession, immediately draws our attention to the unarguable fact that that state is being parsitized upon.
Posted by rossbcan on 11/18/12 08:51 AM
as to "violent subtext", that is the natural response of those whom insist that others "associate, as slaves" when confronted with "no, we refuse to associate on your unilaterally decreed terms". Bear in mind, exactly whom is "initiating aggression" (REAL definition of "criminal), in this absurd, but historically recurring situation:
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So, what are YOU gonna do?:
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Action / Inaction will spawn consequences integrating to tomorrow's reality, as today's reality reacts to forces applied, by all parties. Today's reality is a consequence of past actions / inactions, by all actors.
Posted by theodorej on 11/18/12 07:23 AM
Secession would be part of the natural order of things given the failure of the electoral process... Let us not forget that this election was replete with fraud,computer malfunction and the arrogance of the RNC leadership and do not let me forget the spiteful response of fringe factions that did not participate in the process... As robust as this effort may get it will never get traction without some forceful leadership, which is non existent in the republican ranks. This nation is in for some very tough economic times because we have empowered the poor and the lazy and allowed an immigrant minority of mostly illegals swing an election... ."you might say the beggar has a horse"
Posted by rossbcan on 11/18/12 05:44 AM
AW: "Their effort ignores the fact that the people have spoken - at the polls last week - and will have the opportunity to do so again every time an election rolls around."
Translation to realspeak: Neglecting electoral corruption, the people have indeed spoken. Yes, the "divine ruler" has been re-annointed. The X factor is again claimed to be operational. The "divine ruler" and statist power structures believe that the "people" have again granted them with power that the people do not legitimately (or lawfully) possess: the power to deteremine who lives and, who dies. Rather than Jews and others decreed subhuman by the Nazis, the target has been generalized to be anyone who has something they want, or, who stands in their way.
Well, the "rule of law" used to stand in their way. It has been rationalized away by predators on the bench. That leaves "we, the people" as the last and only final line in the sand against tyranny:
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Seccession is really: A choice "not to associate with", nor support criminals (and, by tolerance, and material support (taxes) be guilty of aiding and abetting their crimes).
CHOICE determines EVERYTHING:
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Posted by mava on 11/17/12 11:07 PM
All those links regarding free energy are not looking any good. I too can write mumbo-jumbo like on those pages. I am an engineer. I do not see anything interesting in those pages. I keep my mind open, but that just ain't it, sorry.
This sort of stuff typically flies well in US, due to horrible public education, and these "inventors" are preying on the people's ignorance.
In general, there is and can not be any free energy. This has nothing to do with next paradigm shift, next technological revolution, etc. Nothing. There can be energy derived from things we are unable to tap just yet, such as for instance, the gravitation (field), but in no case that is a FREE energy.
Take solar, for instance. Is it a free energy? No. There is cost to its production, as well as there is a cost to having that captured energy now absent from where it would have been delivered if it wasn't captured. To easily see it, imagine whole earth covered by a solar panel.
Quite the opposite to what might be imagined, it seems that the more advanced the form of energy removal technology is, the less free it is. Compare for instance the cost of not having oil in the ground with a cost of not having sunlight. Ignore pollution, this has nothing to do with the energy source itself.
Anyone who invents anything energy worthy today, is going to instantly become world-famous and ultra rich. So the first question you ask from some jerk who calls his gibberish page "ENGLISH" is "if you so smart, how come you so poor?".
Posted by Bluebird on 11/17/12 09:27 PM
@ Wrusssr, thank you for those links, especially the ones on GMO. Now who in their right mind whould actually vote against knowing whether or not you are eating bug poison?This has been a good discussion today. There are so few places to go to talk about such things with like minded people. Thank you, Daily Bell for allowing it.
Posted by pauloportugal on 11/17/12 08:24 PM
The power elite are about centralizing power, not supporting wars to decentralize it. They already control the Money Presses and the regulatory process to monitor the "redistribution process" of the freshly printed money through the major financial markets. They do not need wars to create more profits, they need wars to centralize power and create global government.