Editorial
Elite Neo-Nazis ... Is Russia Today (RT) Part of the Controlled Media Matrix and the Imposition of Global Government?
This is perhaps the biggest Trojan Horse-oriented story I may ever write.
I use the term "I" advisedly because much of what goes on here at The Daily Bell is a team effort. But it's my mug that goes on these editorials. And I stand behind them.
It is THE story The Daily Bell was created to write.
There is a storm coming. It is not hyperinflation I'm speaking of. It's not even global government.
It is the KIND of global government that is being created.
Follow along with me and you will understand EXACTLY what "they" are doing and how they intend to do it.
We arrive at these conclusions as we always do, using facts to intuit patterns.
The patterns are what we call the dominant social themes of the elite.
There are a number of recent patterns we've identified that we haven't been able to put into a fully cohesive order. That's how it is when you spend your time watching the top elites, the ones that control central banking and are worth collectively many TRILLIONS of dollars.
They are not exactly a different species. But F. Scott Fitzgerald had it right. The "rich" ... the REAL rich are different than you and me.
They spend their professional lives on elaborate plots that shake the world. They think nothing of displacing or even murdering mass numbers of people.
They plan inter-generationally. They operate an "open conspiracy." They control almost the entire world with the exception perhaps of Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Only recently have they hammered Iraq and Libya and are in the process of instituting forced Islamic conformity in Syria – all under the cloak of instituting "democracy."
And now they are making their move. What we call the Internet Reformation has forced their hand, in my view.
They are moving quickly to create world government.
This article is about the KIND of world government they are creating.
I became aware of this while doing research on RT, rapidly emerging to join the world's leading TV and 'Net-based TV networks. I've appeared on RT but scaled back my appearances over the past year – despite very kind requests for interviews – because I was vaguely uncomfortable.
Now I know why.
What I discovered is that RT is part of a Hegelian Dialectic to implement a certain kind of world government. Top leaders of Russian-based media moguls affiliated with RT behind the scenes appear to come from the former KGB (along with Vladamir Putin). Additionally, they are members of the Council on Foreign Relations, the World Economic Forum, Chatham House and other elite facilities. That's a fact. Look it up.
And lately RT has begun using the language of Occupy Wall Street, apparently a George Soros-funded and controlled false-flag operation.
RT supports programs by Julian Assange, a former writer for the British Round Table (Rothschild) controlled Economist magazine, which used to award him prizes. WikiLeaks is probably another false flag, in our view.
RT, one of the fastest growing media conglomerates in the world, is a Russian Intel operation that puts libertarian faces on their channel for purposes of credibility, in my humble opinion. But it is not a free-market channel.
Yes, dear reader, I believe it is part of a pincer movement to create a certain kind of world government and simply another cog in the international media matrix – right up there with the CNNs and Fox News networks of the world. They are just playing at the margins – closest in appearance to free-market biased news reporting.
I am not going to appear on RT anymore. Libertarians and freedom-loving types in the alternative media should think hard before participating in RT programs, as well.
Leave RT appearances to the "other part" of the alternative media.
I won't name names, but strip out the libertarian appearances and you are left with a certain kind of "alternative media" guest.
– It is a guest raging against Wall Street, Goldman Sachs and the corruption of capitalism.
– It is a guest seeking government control of money.
– It is a guest who seeks to use the genocidal power of the US penitentiary Gulag to "punish" Wall Street bankers.
– It is a guest who seeks "control" of central banking rather than its downfall.
– It is a guest who would not be opposed to neo-Pecora hearings of the sort that started the full-fledged downfall of modern capitalism in the 1930s. These hearings are apparently already being prepared in the bowels of Washington DC committees.
These hearings are of integral importance because they will fully bring capitalism under control of the public sector. Today's Wall Street is bad enough. I have no sympathy for it. Henceforth, politicians will control all aspects of finance under the further control (at arm's length) of the top banking elites.
The government being formed in the US is the government that will rule the world. It will be run by the power elite from the City of London, the Vatican, Washington DC and probably Jerusalem with sub-nodes in Brussels, Moscow and Beijing.
All these entities shall be powers unto themselves, enclaves separate from the nation-states in which they reside.
The government now being formed will have a certain character.
– It will be a government where legalisms outweigh natural law.
– It will be globalist but highly nationalist in its vocabulary.
– It will be free-market in its positioning but in actuality, control will reside with the government itself when it comes to money and other issues of real import.
– It will control all aspects of people's lives including, most importantly, their consumption of energy.
Now that I understand RT's involvement, the strategy is clear. Just like the increasingly controlled non-libertarian and leftist portion of the alternative media, at least some of RT's rhetoric directly or indirectly bolsters efforts to:
– Undermine what is left of the capitalist system via Occupy Wall Street and other such movements.
– Jail the domestic banking class.
– Create a national central bank under control of the "people."
– Put money under control of the "government."
– Put industry under control of the government (see GM) but let it function with some day-to-day latitude.
– Elevate the status of the military and make a cult of its "heroes."
– Further develop an invasive security apparatus to protect people from "terrorism."
Are you getting the picture yet? All this is speculative but it fits together.
The government being formed is a totalitarian NAZI-style government. Not a communist one as people have been led to expect ... and fear.
And eventually, it will devolve into mere totalitarianism and even genocide.
But the "ism" is important for now because it is going to be how we will get there.
The totalitarian state is being built as I write. Over at LewRockwell.com, Paul Rosenberg recently posted an article entitled It's Happening Faster Than Even I Thought. It begins as follows:
2012 has been a banner year for amoral marketers and soul-dead overseers, and the situation is probably much worse than you realize. Allow me to illustrate it briefly:
- The NSA is spying on every American, and very deeply spying on us.
- A surveillance system has been installed inside of Facebook.
- AT&T has been giving all of its Internet traffic to the NSA since at least 2006.
- Union thugs have no problem intercepting emails.
- Newspapers are having no problems intercepting emails.
- Stores are now installing face recognition systems.
- The FedGuv is paying big bucks for systems to "predict crime."
- The FBI is building a nation-wide facial recognition system.
- Biometric identification is being rolled out in grammar schools.
The power elite likes to work with opposites. Peace is war, prosperity is inflation, etc.
Nazi Germany has been pilloried in the West for 75 years. But it lives through the reflective political regime that is now being put into place in the US and eventually throughout the world.
It is the regime the power elite prefers because it maintains a pretense of capitalism within a government that is highly adaptable to the mercantilist control the power elite likes to exercise.
In other words, the elites shall run their neo-Nazi government behind the scenes. The only real difference will be that Hitler ran it out front. We've written about this National Socialist model here: Poison of Neo-National Socialist Public Banking. So has economist Gary North.
The current power elite was behind the rise of National Socialism in Germany. Swiss banks administered, sheltered and assisted in funding it. The US Bush family had some of its assets seized over support of Nazi Germany.
In a 2010 article entitled Cheerleader for Hitler's Economics, Gary North persuasively laid out the modern parallels between the government fiat-money crowd and pre-World War II boosterism for National Socialist economics. He writes:
Ellen Brown is a lawyer by profession, a Greenbacker by confession, and a fan of Adolf Hitler's economics by consistency.
She is quite open about her support for National Socialism's economics, as I shall demonstrate. What is depressing is this: she is getting a respectful hearing in Tea Party circles. Her book, The Web of Debt (2006), is widely cited on the World Wide Web. As of early October, 2010, a Google search for "Ellen Brown" and "Web of Debt" generated close to 600,000 hits. This is huge.
Here is a tactical problem. For two generations, conservatives have been shouted down by the Left with this accusation: "Fascist!" Ellen Brown is now making this accusation plausible. Yet the great irony is this: Ellen Brown is a Leftist. There is nothing even remotely free market or conservative about The Web of Debt. It is a call for a Federally funded welfare state. She praises the New Deal. She praises John Maynard Keynes. She has only one objection to their recommended programs: governments borrowed money to fund them. She wants a welfare state that is funded entirely by paper money printed by Congress. She is about as conservative as Nancy Pelosi.
It is this movement that RT seems to be covertly supporting. Were Gary North to write another article on the subject (he wrote so many so well that Ms. Brown refuses to debate him anymore), he might focus on how the power elite of the day was behind the rise of National Socialist economics in the US.
Personally, I'm no expert on the 1930s but I believe I can see elite handprints all over this modern-day revival.
For me, it is no coincidence that George W. Bush named his most invasive, anti-freedom security apparatus "Homeland Security" with its echoes of the "Fatherland." The Nazi model with its emphasis on eugenics and invasive state supervision of the private sector is the preferred model of the coming world government.
It will not be built upon a platform of the current regulatory democracy.
Nor will it be socialist.
Or communist.
Our overlords are planning global Nazism of the kind they first installed and then destroyed in Germany.
They are nearly there, in my view. China's model is already a Nazi one. Russia's, too, in many ways. The BRICs have similar models.
The EU has been compared to the USSR but Nazi Germany might be a better model.
We write a lot about the Internet Reformation here at The Daily Bell. My hope is that the free-flow of information will create a pushback that will disallow the creation of a global Nazi regime.
I'm doing my part by writing this article.
Sure, maybe it will go down the memory hole. But one day people will remember.
Make no mistake. It was the power elite that helped fund Hitler, just as the Internet has revealed to us that the West funded what became the Soviet Union.
The intergenerational power elite always has preparatory runs. But I think the future world government will be based on the Nazi model – if it gets that far. I hope it won't.
The same great families are now re-erecting what they first built in Europe 75 years ago. Oh, and please do not bother writing feedback asking us to list names. We do not do that here at The Daily Bell. However, feel free to search "who is the power elite" and you will undoubtedly find many suggestive answers.
Let me add that it is truly difficult to write this editorial, as I enjoyed the people I met working with RT, especially their international news producer with whom I had regular contact. I have no doubt there are many genuinely well-meaning individuals working for RT. As with any big media organization, only the few at the top know the real agenda. But I cannot sit by silently and not share my opinion.
The Daily Bell is where I will continue to publish and share my thoughts.
Come hell or high water we will continue to spell out what we see as gross violations against individualism and humanity as a result of power elite manipulations.
Help spread the word about The Daily Bell. Let people know we know. Let THEM know.
They are deathly afraid of the Internet Reformation – or should be.
It is our hope. And yours, too.
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Posted by mikef on 01/09/13 01:08 PM
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"They shall cast their silver in the streets,and their gold will become an abhorrent thing: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the LORD: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their stomachs: because it is the stumbling block of their iniquity."
Ezekiel 7:19
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Posted by mikef on 01/08/13 07:23 PM
Nice one Bell, I enjoy the work of your Delphi technicians, excellent implanting of the Jewish Meme there Lance. However, if you had perhaps ever opened the bible, you would realise that it is not the Jews who are doing this, but the Gnostics, the Kabbalians, the Man As Goddites. However, as the script plays out, and all fingers are aimed at the words of the old testament, and the Jews, we can expect to see a lot more of your shtick. The meme is "Jews control the world, we must destroy them and the Old Testament, then there will be no morality, and we will be truely, Liberated to Do As We Wilt."
Spoiler - eventually, you will lose.
Reply from The Daily Bell
"The Delphi technique was developed by the Rand Corporation during the Cold War as a mind-control technique. It’s also known as “consensive process.” But basically the goal of the Delphi technique is to lead a targeted group of people to a pre-determined outcome while keeping the illusion of being open to public input."
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What evidence do you have that those involved in this website work directly or indirectly for the power elite. Spell it out, Mike F.
Doubt you can. Just another troll ...
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Posted by Adam on 01/04/13 06:44 PM
YouTube: RT: Capital Account Finale: A Heartfelt Good-bye from Lauren and Demetri
Published on 4 Jan 2013
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Posted by QuietRiot on 12/25/12 10:16 AM
There is another data point on the PCR RT interview. The interview was done in London, not New York. That is highly unusual. Where was the American crew? Were they all unavailable? Also very interesting was that BOTH China and Russia called for the diarmament of the American citizen. Hmm... Could this be an instance where their national interest takes precedence over their Anglo-Elite connections?
When the Chinese come to collect for all the money they are owed, they don't want a pile of hillbillies getting in the way "behind every blade of grass."
As for the Russians, a weaker America is a meeker America. So perhaps that's why the RT interview went down the way it did. For RT to ask its American crew to do that story would have destroyed their credibility with their American audience. As it was, RT did incredible damage to its international reputation as it was seen as a voice of truth (in many cases) in the media chorus of lies. We have seen a layer deeper now and we are reminded that we can only trust our own minds and research and that's a good thing to bear in mind always. It's clear that RT has Psyop qualities. Still, truth is truth and as you say, it tends to sweep the field. We'll take it where we can find it.
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Posted by Edgar Friendly on 12/23/12 01:32 PM
Let's face it , any larege, international news organization must be scrutinized as suspect; I've noticed a shift in perceptions on RT in the past year or so. I think it is because of it's growing international acclaim; that globalist alinskyites, are now working in other countries, as repoters and on camera, to shift RT to the globalist viewpoints.
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Posted by Lance_Dowds_1 on 12/22/12 01:54 PM
"Incredible. You're a supporter of the former USSR and the Third Reich. We're done with you. You are exposed by your own argumentation."
Typical intellectual laziness that has become trademark of this website, which why is more than half the content of articles consists of empty and vaguely defined memes. And this is actually the good part of your articles since when you try to elaborate on anything your ignorance is even more evident. When you think that all history is "directed" by some unnamed cabal that includes "Jesuits", "Rosicrusians" or perhaps Knights Templars driving UFOs you aren't that far from believing that Nazism and Communism are the same thing because they share the component of "socialism".
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Posted by Lance_Dowds_1 on 12/22/12 12:57 PM
"Ah, you approve of the USSR as well. Good Lord."
Ah, you approve of the Neocons, Soros and Brzezinski. Good to know!
"Who do you believe invented all this in the modern era - the very 'Jewish' globalists you claim to despise."
Ha ha, you're so ignorant that it's really sad.
"Lance, big words! OK, now explain why Syria is part of a chain of recent wars that include Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, The Ivory Coast, etc. In each case, the West backed CIA controlled Islamic elements."
Perhaps you can get and idea on that by searching who Bernard Lewis was and what the "Clash of Civilizations" is all about (that doesn't really exist so it has to be fomented through other means like funding and "fighting" Islamist extremists at the same time). The death of the US ambassador in Libya at the hands of the very people he helped bring to power as "democracy reformers" is a good hint as to where all this is going to lead.
"Substitute Hitler for Putin"
But I have hunch that if I ask you to provide some proof for this claim, which shows you just how gullible you are to MSM propaganda, like how many nations Putin invaded and occupied since coming to power, I'm going to get the same response like when I asked you to name Putin associates who are members of the CFR and the Bildereberg. None.
BTW I didn't know that the DB was an affiliated site of the Anti-Defamation League.
Reply from The Daily Bell
Incredible. You're a supporter of the former USSR and the Third Reich. We're done with you. You are exposed by your own argumentation.
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Posted by lance2 on 12/22/12 11:21 AM
@ The Daily Bell
"The Cold War was real"
Yes it was, and the Neocons, Brzezinski, togehter with their agent, Gorbachev, destroyed the USSR.
"Putin (former KGB) is a hero of freedom"
Yes he is, and his actions ( and not the "KGB boogeyman" characterization that western corporate media propaganda mouthpieces use and you try to mimic and cling to - another blow to your already tarnished credibility) in both domestic and international level prove it , defending among other things the respect of international law and national soveregnty against the "spreading of democracy" (aka globalist control) by bombing entire nations into the stone age.
"the Jews are trying to take over Russia"
Yes they are trying for a second time, and they will FAIL this time.
"the noble Russian Orthodox regime is valiantly defending the world"
Yes it is, unlike the Pus*y Riot sluts and their degenerate enablers in the West.
"Syria is a dagger aimed at the heart of Russia (oops, and Libya and Egypt and Tunisia ... )"
No, silly. It's about "spreading the love", ie installing "democracy" and removing "evil dictators" and helping the "poor people" who are "being oppressed" by the "regime". BTW ever heard of Edward Bernays or Bernard Lewis? Or why Paul Wolfowitz was dissapointed when in the First Gulf War the US troops didn't march to Bagdad to install "democracy"? Still clueless about the modus operandi and unable to connect the dots? Ask from someone brighter than you to break it down for you cause my patience is running thin.
The Syria crisis has little to do with Syria per se. It is the convergence point in a clash bewtween two entirely different world paradigms for international relations in the 21st century. Unipolarity on one side (US and the West) vs Multipolarity (Russia, China etc). But you would need to have a clue to know this and you have none.
"You have no idea what goes on"
No, you don't.
"Really realistic world view you have. Rense also documents UFOs regularly, and imminent alien wars. You believe in those too, eh?"
Uh-huh. Funny how you wave the "conspiracy shtick" as if some official spokesperson when faced with facts he cannot refute, especially considering that your entire "explanation" of world affairs is just a rehash of the silliest and nuttiest conspiracy theories (uh... Illuminati control all sides..uh there is no hope... they're all out to get us) revealing your complete ignorance of history. At least Rense's nutty theories are funny. Yours aren't even that. Just boring, ignorant and stupid.
Reply from The Daily Bell
L: "The Cold War was real" … Yes it was, and the Neocons, Brzezinski, together with their agent, Gorbachev, destroyed the USSR.
DB: Ah, you approve of the USSR as well. Good Lord.
L: "Putin (former KGB) is a hero of freedom" … Yes he is, and his actions ( and not the "KGB boogeyman" characterization that western corporate media propaganda mouthpieces use and you try to mimic and cling to – another blow to your already tarnished credibility) in both domestic and international level prove it , defending among other things the respect of international law and national sovereignty against the "spreading of democracy" (aka globalist control) by bombing entire nations into the stone age.
DB: “The respect of international law and national sovereignty.” Who do you believe invented all this in the modern era – the very “Jewish” globalists you claim to despise. As for Putin … ever hear the term “limited hangout.”
L: "The Jews are trying to take over Russia" … Yes they are trying for a second time, and they will FAIL this time.
DB: The Jooz, eh. Always the Jooz. Here’s a brain twister, L … what’s a “Jew?” Can you identify them by their long, twisted noses? Their ear lobes? Are you perhaps speaking of the most sophisticated monetary mafia in the world or are you convinced a “Jew” is part of an ancient evil with different colored blood, a taste for babies, etc. Seeing your responses, we’d bet a lot on the latter,
L: "The noble Russian Orthodox regime is valiantly defending the world" Yes it is, unlike the Pus*y Riot sluts and their degenerate enablers in the West.
DB: Leave it to people like you to confuse spirituality with organized religion. Substitute Hitler for Putin, travel back in time, and you’d be making the same arguments regarding Germany that you make regarding Putin. It’s not even a psychological disease. It’s likely some kind of an Intel psy-op encouraging the worship of the state and “strong men.” How much do they pay you to disseminate this slop?
L: "Syria is a dagger aimed at the heart of Russia (oops, and Libya and Egypt and Tunisia ... )" … The Syria crisis has little to do with Syria per se. It is the convergence point in a clash bewtween two entirely different world paradigms for international relations in the 21st century. Unipolarity on one side (US and the West) vs Multipolarity (Russia, China etc). But you would need to have a clue to know this and you have none.
DB: Lance, big words! OK, now explain why Syria is part of a chain of recent wars that include Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, The Ivory Coast, etc. In each case, the West backed CIA controlled Islamic elements. The power elite (“Joos” to you) is setting up a religious war between East and West, or at least significantly abetting tensions … But you don’t know about that because you hardly ever drop by the Bell except to spew your racist contempt.
L: "You have no idea what goes on" … No, you don't.
DB: We’ll compare paradigms any day. We believe the world is in the grip of an inter-generational conspiracy going back at least 300 years in the modern era that is funded by central banking money and aided and abetted by chosen men in politics, the military, universities, think tanks, the media, religion, etc. We think it is run by great central banking families, the Black Nobility, Jesuitical interests and others. We think it is allied with the world’s great powers including Russia, China and certainly India in addition to the EU, developing countries, etc. We don’t think it is religious at the top but believe the Illuminati symbolism is used (at the very top) as a kind of alternative cultural glue but also as a scare tactic. It is culturally cohesive, as well, after a certain level and this accounts for a level of “Jewish” participation much as other mafias tend to be Italian, Colombian, etc.
You on the other hand simply believe “Jews” are trying to take over the world and that first Hitler and now Putin have stood up honorably and nobly against them. It must be comforting to see the world so starkly in such black-and-white terms. Tell us, please, how does one obtain a brain such as yours? Is it the emptiness that appeals?
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Posted by taxesbyanyothername on 12/22/12 03:04 AM
DB
You may be on to something with those alian wars. They wanted the planet but didn't want to have to get rid of us, so they tricked us into doing it ourselves.
Makes more sense than alot of things we know are true.
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Posted by Adam on 12/21/12 01:37 PM
@Summer
"If people are honest and actually try to understand the way compound interest works it is obvious to anyone with a modicum of intellect that it is an unsustainable and destructive filter of wealth from the poor to the rich."
You regard me as dishonest and lacking intellect, and yet you still appeal to my desire for understanding.
I think I see what's going here.
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Posted by taxesbyanyothername on 12/20/12 05:36 PM
fuggeddabodit
Ow, you got me.
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Posted by lance2 on 12/19/12 05:07 PM
It's because of articles like this that I have stopped taking the Daily Belly and Antony Wile seriously a long time ago.
No, RT (and Russia as nation and leadership) is not part of the "Hegelian Dialectic", and I challenge you to name ONE of those "Russian Elites" tied to Putin's circle who are members of the CFR or were invited at Bilderberg conferences. The only Russians invited are sworn enemies of Putin, clowns like Kasparov for instance. You don't understand the reasons why the Western elites would like to see Putin removed and the Russian state collapse, why this clash between western elites and Russia is cumulating in Syria, and why a Missile Shield which when completed will give the US first strike capability against Russia is being deployed. You just repeat the usual empty memes without having a clue.
Reply from The Daily Bell
Blah, blah, blah. The Cold War was real, the USSR was an implacable enemy of the US, Putin (former KGB) is a hero of freedom, the Jews are trying to take over Russia and only the noble Russian Orthodox regime is valiantly defending the world, Syria is a dagger aimed at the heart of Russia (oops, and Libya and Egypt and Tunisia ...), little Medvedev is a sworn enemy of the US regime, Russia wants nothing to do with the West (except it wants to merge with the EU) ... etc.
You have no idea what goes on at the top levels of power elite politics but it is a safe bet to say that the USSR and its leaders have been controlled from the very beginning. The elites funded the USSR and probably took it down with Gorbachov's help. But you want us to believe that Putin, this chauffer's son, somehow escaped this pervasive control, clawed his way to the top with the urge to heroically resist Western powers and has secretly pursued this agenda ever since.
Really realistic world view you have. Rense also documents UFOs regularly, and imminent alien wars. You believe in those too, eh?
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Posted by dimitri on 12/18/12 04:18 PM
When I saw AW on RT I was put to wondering why. Their whole set up has just looked too fishy slick over the past two years as they established their presence. Glad to see now that AW onto them. When you're hot, you're hot!
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Posted by dave jr on 12/18/12 10:34 AM
Mava,
I reread your post a couple of times and may have misconstrued your points. Though I am not in total agreement, you did not deserve the tongue lashing. I sincerely appologize.
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Posted by mava on 12/17/12 03:42 PM
dave jr,
you left me speechless
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Posted by mantis on 12/17/12 06:44 AM
Haven't watched RT for quite a while myself think my spider senses been tingling.
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Posted by dave jr on 12/16/12 03:32 PM
Mava:
"One of the easiest ones was this "theory" lately noted surfacing almost everywhere, that the system that uses interest is not a zero sum game, meaning that the interest collected is somehow "accumulated". Add in a fashionable "cumulative" or a "hockey stick chart", and you already won your reader."
DJ:
On this statement alone, if there was a "like button", I would have clicked it.
Mava:
"Sure! If the economy has 1 trln dollars, and it lends that under 10% for a year, that means it ends up having 1.1 trln at the year end! Right?"
DJ:
Wrong. Who is to say the economy woundn't have produced 1.2 trln, easily paying the 10%, if that was the going rate? And if the economy only produced 0.9 trln, then those who over extended will recieve a haircut. But if it is real money, one could not over extend without affording a haircut.
Mava:
"So, then, my reader, we have found the culprit to the question of running away debts. It is the accumulated interest payments! It is not the printing of money out of thin air, under the auspices of "borrowing" it, for which the record is made accordingly and is congruous to the amount printed. No. It's the interest."
DJ:
No, No and NO! You did the classic bait and switch. It is printing money out of thin air, which can only stand by fiat, and is not the fault of charging interest. Set interst charges to zero and the problems do not go away. Look around! And don't give me the Japanese model, it hangs on the dollar.
Mava:
"So, then, the interest must be able to create the money all on it's own. Note, not just reallocate money, but create it, bring it into existence. Right? For if the new money wasn't created to replace the money that the interest allegedly sucks in to the lender's purses, then the money left in circulation would constitute ever smaller portion, and the prices would be falling."
DJ:
No, No and quadruple NO! Interest creating new money would be the next fiat trick. Legitimate money comes from production. If the producer can afford to wait, time preferance of interest, he can meanwhile produce more. At some point the market will saturate and he will get the signal to produce less, maybe consume more, take a vacation. The market will seek its own level if you quit dinking with it. It would be extremely difficult for a PE to become uber rich on interest payments alone in a real money system.
Mava:
"Are you with me? It is either the interest simply re-proportions the unchanging total amount of money amongst us, in which case the prices would be seen falling, or, the interest creates new money, constantly increasing the money total circulating, and then should be said to be capable of creating money by it's own virtue. Which is it?"
DJ:
The money amongst us is not unchanging, or at least should not be manipulated to be so. Interest does not create new money, but maybe you are trying to set a trap, proceed. Which is it? NEITHER.
Mava:
"No matter which one will you choose, you will fail. I know how both of these propositions fall flat on their face. But, let us do it. Go ahead and stick to your story, Summer. Tell me which one is it you want to go down by."
DJ:
I saw your first post a month or two ago and was suspectful. Now I see you are just another socialist pig at the trough. I usually do not speak so harshly, but here it is.
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Posted by mava on 12/16/12 11:00 AM
One of the easiest tricks in the book of "How to make one believe the capitalism is wrong" is to you subject's glaring lack of imagination to suggest an obviously false premise which the subject isn't able to deconstruct on his own, and therefore chooses to use as his banner.
One of the easiest ones was this "theory" lately noted surfacing almost everywhere, that the system that uses interest is not a zero sum game, meaning that the interest collected is somehow "accumulated". Add in a fashionable "cumulative" or a "hockey stick chart", and you already won your reader.
Sure! If the economy has 1 trln dollars, and it lends that under 10% for a year, that means it ends up having 1.1 trln at the year end! Right?
So, then, my reader, we have found the culprit to the question of running away debts. It is the accumulated interest payments! It is not the printing of money out of thin air, under the auspices of "borrowing" it, for which the record is made accordingly and is congruous to the amount printed. No. It's the interest.
So, then, the interest must be able to create the money all on it's own. Note, not just reallocate money, but create it, bring it into existence. Right? For if the new money wasn't created to replace the money that the interest allegedly sucks in to the lender's purses, then the money left in circulation would constitute ever smaller portion, and the prices would be falling.
Are you with me? It is either the interest simply re-proportions the unchanging total amount of money amongst us, in which case the prices would be seen falling, or, the interest creates new money, constantly increasing the money total circulating, and then should be said to be capable of creating money by it's own virtue. Which is it?
No matter which one will you choose, you will fail. I know how both of these propositions fall flat on their face. But, let us do it. Go ahead and stick to your story, Summer. Tell me which one is it you want to go down by.
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Posted by rossbcan on 12/16/12 07:45 AM
@taxesbyanyothername
"who can still stand watching full episodes of any news shows, is either a masochist, or has way too much time on their hands, or both."
Or; parses with a critical mind, discerning the mis-direction of "news" and what choices THEY are attempting to trick YOU into making or, what of their future ACTIONS they are preparing and Pavlov conditioning YOU to tolerate / not dissent.
It is "warfare 101", "KNOW your enemy", so you can deliver the killing blow, once the war is already lost, by THEM:
War?, what war?:
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Choice?, what choice?:
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Posted by fuggeddabodit on 12/16/12 06:26 AM
@taxesbyanyothername: News shows!? ;-)
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