Between the rattlesnak's tail and its fangs. The crisis of legitimacy, the dearth of citizenship, the spectre of civil war and moral responsibility.

"... collectivist systems go to great lengths to spy out those who are "not of the body," to convert, control, or failing that, to eliminate them. They build secret political police agencies like the NKVD, KGB, Gestapo, Stasi, and yes, FBI and DHS. They also build walls to keep people in, to prevent them from voting with their feet. These used to be made of concrete and steel like the Berlin Wall, but these days we are beginning to look at virtual walls created of surveillance cameras, computer databases, voice prints and facial recognition software, all marketed to us on the false premise of "counter terrorism." Thus rises the "soft tyranny."

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Fights over whether referenda should be held seem to be a trend in the U. S. as well. Pretty telling to anyone paying attention I should think. The tyranny is hardening day by day.

"Fights over whether referenda should be held"

... hinge on the misleading question of "whether the people are competent", or should "experts" rule?

Bear in mind that the very same "experts" whom seek to rule are both products and subverters of the very same centrally controlled educational systems that produced the alleged incompetent people whom are alleged not fit to vote and, their fate allegedly should be decided by the unsubstantiated OPINIONS of others (the 'intellectuals" who created the ignorance, in the first place and, with passage of decades, 'intellectuals" have fallen for their own lies and are, in turn, dangerously ignorant, to the extent they are tolerated to be in control. Luckily, ignorance is remedied either the hard way (school of hard knocks) or, far easier by THINKING about it:

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not to mention that "consent of the governed" has morphed to "terror of the governed" and, "the governed" have a right to say what they will "personally consent to", but absolutely NO right to corece others to "consent to, or else" what the majority allegedly decrees, such as the democratically elected Nazi's decreeing "final solution" for some. To allow democracy to stray outside of common interest (all equally benefit and pay) is contrary to the "rule of law", the root cause of our civilizations descent to barbarism and general intellectual and economic impoverishment:

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"modern" democracy provides the "illusion of choice" (limited "acceptable" choices, offered by elites) and the illusion of voter responsibility so we "blame ourselves" (tolerate) for the costs of elite "private profit, socialized losses" predations, which have been ongoing for centuries.

History is just a sequence of ever escalating crimes against humanity and civilization, to waste the fruits of innovation, to keep us impoverished and asking "please sir, can I have some more" (enslaved, dependent on elites), as opposed to masters of our own, individual destiny:

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Leave the EU Casino Now---but the casino is everywhere!
To keep living standards high, the printing press finances public debt all across the Western world. Look what happens exactly now in the US (deficit reduction committee). The EU will go the same route and the ECB, inspite of German reluctance, will play Red Cross.
As long as Chinese and OPEC sheiks accept these kind of Mickey Mouse money as instruments of payment, nothing will change!

Greece, Italy, Spain , Portugal etc. etc. have impossibly high levels of Government / civil service labor union employees who are simply going to
vote themselves continued employment and high wages... Ensuring the economic failure of these nations...

The "Coup d'etat" of the Banks and Banksters is absolutely successfully executed !

At this moment remains only to see how the horror scenario that I've predicted from the end of 1990 will be implemented. Anyhow what it was Nazism and the Stalinism could easily be considered as an infant joke when referring and comparing with what will follows from now on.

And as I've repeatedly told you the German tribe ( outside submitted and supporting of the other tribe of Deutsche Bank( JBCC) will make the perfect mess as usual !

The people don't matter those little people, the PE are fully in control. Everything in history was a planned event, everything in the future will be a planned event. Hitler's germany, frankly, I don't see the difference, Fascism is clearly alive and well everywhere.
You can't keep the Germans down, and this industrious grumpy tribe will end up with what they have always wanted, everything.

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The German Historical School and the state socialists also rejected the "orthodox" laissez-faire economics of the classical economists and classical liberals. Rather, they insisted, as William Dawson explained it, "No department of economic activity should on principle be closed to the State; whether it should or not participate, side by side with private enterprise, is a matter of expediency and public interest. . . . The jurisdiction of government is a matter not of principle but of expediency." For the German Historical School, state socialism offered the middle ground between a radical individualism that desired for the state to do nothing and a radical socialism that desired the state to do everything. "State Socialism is the mean between these directions of thought; in it the two extremes meet."
And it offered the German people a higher "freedom"-a freedom of security and protection from the vicissitudes of life-that the purely "negative" freedoms of classical liberalism failed to provide. This was explained by Frederic C. Howe (an American intellectual who played a leading role in the Progressive movement and later served in Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal) in his book Socialized Germany (1915):
"In the mind of the Germans the functions of the state are not susceptible of abstract, a priori deductions. Each proposal must be decided by the time and the conditions. If it seems advisable for the state to own an industry it should proceed to own it; if it is wise to curb any class or interest it should be curbed. Expediency or opportunism is the rule of statesmanship, not abstraction as to the philosophic nature of the state. . . . There is almost no dissent to the assumption of state supremacy, of subordination of the individual, of the necessity for personal and class sacrifice to the Fatherland. . . . The individual exists for the state, not the state for the individual. . . . This paternalism does not necessarily mean less freedom to the individual than that which prevails in America or England. It is rather a different kind of freedom. . . . State socialism in Germany is of two kinds: first, productive socialism, and second, distributive socialism. One means the increase in the amount of wealth [through the use of government-sponsored cartels, state monopolies, protective tariffs and export subsidies] and the other its juster distribution. . . . Of the two the latter is more important.
. . . . First in the list of such [distributive] activities are the social insurance schemes which distribute to the community the burdens of sickness, old age, accident, and invalidity. These in themselves have freed millions of men and women from fear of the future, from loss of self-respect, and have kept them as producing members of the community."

In my article shortly after 9/11 I called rulling elites junta. I said: military-industrial complex, financial complex-FIRE economy and religion controls politics, includin' Chapito Hill. I was conspiracy theorist.

Forbes: The 'ruling junta' governing the U.S. seems to have forgotten an axiom critical to its legitimacy: 'the consent of the governed.'
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I love this culture of packing as sheep pack. There was no problems- until we woke up and realized that 99.9% of society are here for statistics- anything else was conspiracy theory. Thanx internet it is no longer possible to hold status quo. So conspirator's institutions step up and ring bell for change. Today @ C-SPAN I listen long stories about book Republic,Lost and investigation of wire taping in GB. So now there is a case and agenda for another round of corporate run elections.

I say another prophecy: Can not reform unreformable by not workin' drugx. All what they are tryin' 2 do is sell freshly camouflaged old stuff. Real medicine is: direct elections and multipolitical party system, add: direct democracy- referendum absolute power, decentralization, mandatory massmedia cover,bucket corporate donation, cancel presidential power to make rules for himself as presidential order, outlaw lobyism.

Direct elections means 2 rounds of elections of president, governor,mayor. If none earns 50+ % in first round 2 most succesfull candies goes to 2nd round. I read congresional study about it from 1974 their conclusion was that big states, Texas, will B always on top. Not today. Ron Paul, Denis Kucinich and so on R popular out of states.

Multiparty system: more chance to get in not corrupted. 2 terms limit. Can run after 1 term out. As president in Russia.

Corporations worldwide can add money to elections. But not political party but bucket. Money will be split by election result. Show us your face as citizens not hidden behind corporation. Private citizens can donate whenever they want.

Do you think Harvard professa goes like that in his book? He just tryin to save their face: We R here we stand for america. Yes. After we pushed Y'LL to the corner.

As Ben Hecht once stated: To understand current affairs one must look far into history. Nazism and Stalinism were answers on bankster's conquer not natural evolution.

Perfect mess as usual not always worx. 1919 German revolution ended short living German monarchy. Thurn von Taxis lost Bavaria after 700 years of rullin'. Tactics of Michael Collins, still in progress in Iraq and Afghanistan, ended british rule over Ireland. Iceland did big game. Mess today, with stabil BRIC means fall back into middle age when arab competition based on gnostic-greek civilization attacked them in their strongholds. Arabs build their empire from zero to top in few centuries. Hitla returned succes of german statism in 4 years. I do personally believe elites R in big troubles. As I said years ago: Succes of BRIC will B 2 keep status quo for as long as possible. Let wars go-Lybia- they will collapse from inside sooner or later. With Zbiggy Brzezinski or Kissinger colapse is guaranteed.
Giovanni Sartori in his Theory of Democracy stated, that world is always in two dimensions. While majority see main picture, few see the future. If 9/11 was answer on Putin actions it was bad move. One after another. Elites expected world is somewhere in 1930's. Joe Rocky once stated: It would be the best if internet was never invented. Clear message about internet reformation. Elites underestimated future of this medium. How fast stupid serfs will adapt. Now they are far behind. EvenS multi bilion dollars National Security aparatus to protect their interests is worthless. Their world simply broke appart. It takes time but it's irreversible.

Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal have highest level of selfemployed worxforce. 35-40%. Compare 7% in USA, 3rd from the tail of. Corporations simply did not made it up there so they R tryin' detour. Do Y' rememeber what church did to Cathars? "Kill 'em all, god will choose."

"Formerly sovereign states in the United States wanted out of the American union and they voted to withdraw. Lincoln's response was an invasion and the Confederate States were totally destroyed - and in the process over 600,000 Americans were slaughtered in the war. It took over a century for the southern states to recover economically from the war and reconstruction aftermath. Of course, all of this was hidden and covered up following the war because the Union won."

To look at the Southern States wanting out of the Union just because they could, and it was Abraham Lincoln who prevented them from doing so just because he wanted to, is not seeing the whole picture.

Yes, the federal union of states was a voluntary association. Yes, legally the Southern Staes had every right to want to ceceed. The reality however was that the federated union was formed to guard against the attack and invasion by European powers. It was to consolidate the North American States into a firm commitment to each other to secure their borders.

The federal government from the beginning sought to consolidate the lands of the North American Continent to guard against the design of foreign powers to destroy the United States. It was for that reason that Jefferson disregarded the wishes of the Congress and completed the Louisiana Purchase with Napoleon. It was for that reason also that he commissioned Lewis and Clark to undertake an expedition to the West Coast. To consolidate the land mass in North America to guard against mischief against the United States was a constant attempt by the federal government. BTW, so was "Stewart's Folly", the purchase of Alaska from Russia, an attempt to secure the United States from easy invasion by a foreign power.

The question of slavery was discussed during the Constitutional Convention. Nothing to affirm slavery entered into the final wording of the Constitution. Its ratification was possible only, because it did not disturb the currently existing slavery situation. There was however no doubt in the minds of a majority of the delegates that, unless the people of the United States were to peacefully resolve the question of slavery, it would take a Civil War to abolish it. It was Abraham Lincoln who found himself President when the question of slavery and other questions became a sovereignty issue with the Southern States.

Minful of the interest of the federal government to secure the safety of all the states, Lincoln did not want to give Britain or Spain any chance to gain a foot hold in a Confederacy and work against the other united States. Therefore, he declared the Southern States to be in a rebellion against the United States and militarily fought their attempt to ceceed.

Here is the question... ??? Would it have been better to aceed to the desire of the Southern States to go their own way, or was it correct to fight them and to keep them from breaking up the consolidation of the North American Continent... ???

The question of losing state sovereignty due to the action of Lincoln, only comes in with this question of securing the North American Continent. The Civil War was only the means to get there, and it resolved the slavery question in the process. To point to the 14th Amendment for loss of state sovereignty is foolish, as well.

The real problem with the loss of state sovereignty came in with the 16th and 17th Amendment. These two amendments are 180 degrees opposed to the original U.S. Constitution. Anyone who fails to see this, and instead chases this vision of a tyrannical Lincoln causing sovereignty problems for the states, is simply barking up the wrong tree.