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Robespierre's War on Terror
Preparing for the Final Takedown? ... There is a shocking piece of legislation working its way through Congress. A Defense Authorization bill for 2012 allows for military detentions of American citizens on American soil. These can be indefinite detentions, with no trial. The American Civil Liberties Union statement (more of an alert) on November 23, 2011 deserves special attention: "The U.S. Senate is considering the unthinkable: changing detention laws to imprison people — including Americans living in the United States itself — indefinitely and without charge." ... "The Defense Authorization bill — a "must-pass" piece of legislation — is headed to the Senate floor with troubling provisions that would give the President — and all future presidents — the authority to indefinitely imprison people, without charge or trial, both abroad and inside the United States." – GlobalResearch.ca, Dr. Andrew Bosworth
Dominant Social Theme: Safety requires the vigilance of top authorities. And if civil protections are squashed and people's rights are violated, well ... so be it.
Free-Market Analysis: Dr. Bosworth has written a remarkable article about the Defense Authorization bill now wending its way through the US Congress (see above). He makes it very clear that he thinks this legislation is the formal forerunner to a kind of US police state, though we tend to think the US is already there in some respects
We also mentioned this legislation in another article today featuring top libertarian presidential candidate Bill Still. The legislation, in our view, is worth several references or even more. We're not sure it's going to pass and, in fact, we are not even sure it is meant to pass. We believe it's a kind of warning.
It is in fact a kind of a power elite dominant social theme: The US can never be safe enough. Unfortunately, in pursuit of safety the bill ends up being quite extreme in a lot of ways and is being lofted at a time when the Internet is anything but quiescent. So ... (perhaps we're wrong) we think it has a deeper purpose.
Yes, for us there is a larger message being sent. The message is, "Watch out! Times have changed! We, the Anglosphere power elite, are not fooling around anymore. The Internet Reformation may have compromised our secrecy and ability to promote aspects of our agenda via fear-based themes but it has not compromised our ability to use force and to pass laws in the legislatures that we control around the world. And we control a lot!" Here's some more from this article:
If enacted, sections 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA would:
1) Explicitly authorize the federal government to indefinitely imprison without charge or trial American citizens and others picked up inside and outside the United States;
2) Mandate military detention of some civilians who would otherwise be outside of military control, including civilians picked up within the United States itself; and
3) Transfer to the Department of Defense core prosecutorial, investigative, law enforcement, penal, and custodial authority and responsibility now held by the Department of Justice.
The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without even a single hearing.
Dr. Bosworth goes on to show how Senator Levin is trying to defend the bill and how the Obama administration, which apparently helped write the bill, is now trying to avoid responsibility for it. He writes, "Clearly, this upcoming defense bill – especially Sections 1031 and 1032 – is plagued by confusion. Some of this confusion appears to be deliberate."
And Dr. Bosworth concludes with this eloquent statement: "The bill's provision for the indefinite detention of American citizens, without charge or trial, represents nothing short of a declaration of war by the federal government on the American people. Hopefully, more sensible Senators and Representatives will squash this diabolical legislation."
Is there a trend at work here? Just as the power elite in our view slathered videos of Muammar Gaddafi's gory death all over YouTube to intimidate those who would stand up to its growing global power, so this legislation with its current wording is intended as a kind of intimidation.
In fact, it is telling people who are thinking of actively resisting what's taking place in the West that they can be shipped off to jail and tortured without recourse. It doesn't matter, therefore, if it passes or not. The message has been sent. The trend is clear: What we fail to do now, we shall attempt to do tomorrow and tomorrow. Tomorrow, I love ya ... you're only a day away! (– Annie)
What are the powers-that-be putatively trying to accomplish? Well, in their own words, they are attempting to keep citizens of the West – especially America – safe while top officials fight a war on terror wherever it may be.
Of course, in our view (and many others'), there likely IS no war on terror. There likely IS no Al Qaeda – or perhaps what remains of that organization went to war under CIA supervision against Gaddafi. But let's give the Senate the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps they do not know that there are significant questions about the war on terror and how it came to be and where it stands now.
Perhaps they do not know there are questions about Osama bin Laden, as well, and his "leadership" of Al Qaeda and his subsequent death only a few months ago. We've written about that here: Osama bin Laden Is Dead Again.
But it seems to us there is a specific strategy at work. The new protest movements aimed at Wall Street and the one percent emphasize a kind of class warfare that is new to America but is an old Anglosphere strategy (from what we can tell).
It is also worth noting how many have adopted neo-class envy as their own and are calling for a governmental investigation into Wall Street and punishment of evildoers. We've seen this before and we think we can recognize its signals.
Yes, soon people may stop making distinctions. If you work on Wall Street you will be suspect. If you are "rich" you shall be suspect. It's not hard to get people worked up in a time of (artificially imposed) scarcity. That's one thing we think is happening.
A second authoritarian impetus is coming from the powers-that-be via legislatures. This is the other half of a kind of pincer movement of societal madness. First you inflame the madness of crowds with class envy. Then you insulate yourself from violent lunacy via the meme of "national security."
Congress is beginning to wield this second meme. As the crowds rage outside, distracted and furious, the elites direct that anger at will through various kinds of national security legislation. You need both halves of the power equation to make it work properly.
See, people have to be both infuriated and frightened in order to be totally malleable. And once they are in this state, it's also very easy to suggest solutions that support your (the manipulator's) agenda. In this case, a new world order run by the very power elite that is orchestrating this increased social chaos over time.
It's not as if it hasn't been done before. But as we have we have pointed out, the last time it was done to the completeness of its arc in the West, the French Revolution took hold with all its goriness, terror and societal dysfunction.
Conclusion:
Maximilien Robespierre's constituency outside the Convention was the mob, roaming the streets of Paris, the center of the Revolution. Large parts of France were hardly involved; for most people, life went on during the Revolution much as before. The mob in Paris consisted largely of destitute sans-culottes ("without knee breeches"), who maintained themselves by a mixture of crime, prostitution, begging, and odd jobs. Robespierre and his followers incited them to action whenever political expediency called for it. But even when unincited, having nothing better to do, they formed the crowd that watched the public executions, jeered and abused those about to die, rejoiced at the severed heads, adulated the leaders temporarily in power, and cursed them after they fell. Like flies, they were everywhere as the Revolution went on its bloody way. Their enraged, expectant buzzing formed the ghastly background of the slaughter of the innocents.
Historical distance and revolutionary rhetoric must not be allowed to obscure the Terror's savagery. The descriptions that follow are only a few among many that could be given. Stanley Loomis writes in Paris in the Terror that, in the September massacres of 1792, "the bloody work went on for five . . . days and nights. On the morning of the third, the prison of La Force was entered and here took place the murder of the Princesse de Lamballe. . . . The frenzy of the crazed and drunken murderers appears to have reached its highest pitch at La Force. Cannibalism, disembowelment and acts of indescribable ferocity took place here. The Princess . . . refused to swear her hatred of the King and Queen and was duly handed over to the mob. She was dispatched with a pike thrust, her still beating heart was ripped from her body and devoured, her legs and arms were severed from her body and shot through cannon. The horrors that were then perpetrated on her disemboweled torso are indescribable. . . . It has been loosely assumed . . . that most of the other victims were, like herself, aristocrats—an assumption that for some curious reason is often supposed to mitigate these crimes. Very few victims were, in fact, of the former nobility—less than thirty out of the fifteen hundred who were killed."
What Robespierre had unloosed were the most depraved urges of society's dregs. The resulting anarchy temporarily served his purpose, much as the Kristallnacht served Hitler's, the purges Stalin's, and the cultural revolution Mao's. Each perpetrated the terror to frighten opponents into abject submission and establish himself more firmly in power.
Having secured Paris, in 1793 Robespierre appointed commissioners to enforce his interpretation of the Revolution outside the capital. In the city of Lyon, writes Simon Schama in Citizens, the guillotine began its work, but it was found to be "a messy and inconvenient way of disposing of the political garbage. . . . A number of the condemned, then, were executed in mass shootings. . . . [A]s many as sixty prisoners were tied in a line by ropes and shot at with cannon. Those who were not killed outright by the fire were finished off with sabers, bayonets, and rifles. . . . By the time that the killings . . . had finished, one thousand nine hundred and five people had met their end." The commissioner in Nantes "supplemented the guillotine with . . . ?vertical deportations.≈ . . . Holes were punched in the sides of . . . barges. . . . Prisoners were put in with their hands and feet tied and the boats pushed into the center of the river. . . . [The] victims helplessly watched the water rise about them. . . . [P]risoners were stripped of their clothes and belongings . . . [Y]oung men and women [were] tied naked together in the boats. Estimates of those who perished in this manner vary greatly, but there were certainly no fewer than two thousand."
In the Vendéan massacre, recounts Schama, "Every atrocity the time could imagine was meted out to the defenseless population. Women were routinely raped, children killed, both mutilated. . . . At Gonnord . . . two hundred old people, along with mothers and children, [were forced] to kneel in front of a large pit they had dug; they were then shot so as to tumble into their own grave. . . . Thirty children and two women were buried alive when earth was shoveled onto the pit." In Paris, Loomis writes, Robespierre ordered the kangaroo court, known as the Revolutionary Tribunal, to be "as active as crime itself and conclude every case within twenty-four hours." "The victims were shepherded to the courtroom in the morning and, no matter how many of them there might be, their fate was settled by no later than two in the afternoon of that same day. By three o'clock their hair had been cut, their hands bound and they were in the death carts on their way to the scaffold." "Between June 10 and July 27 [1793] . . . 1,366 victims perished." Most of these people were innocent of any crime and were unable to defend themselves against accusations of which they were not even informed.
These atrocities were not unfortunate excesses unintended by Robespierre and his henchmen but the predictable consequences of the ideology that divided the world into "friends" and less-than-human "enemies." The ideology was the repository of the true and the good, the key to the welfare of humanity. Its enemies had to be exterminated without mercy because they stood in the way. As the ideologues saw it, the future of mankind was a high enough stake to justify any deed that served their purpose. As Loomis puts it, "[A]ll who played a role in the drama . . . believed themselves motivated by patriotic and altruistic impulses. All . . . were able to value their good intentions more highly than human life. . . . There is no crime, no murder, no massacre that cannot be justified, provided it be committed in the name of an Ideal."
The ideal, however, was simply what Robespierre said it was. And the law was what Robespierre and his followers willed it to be. They changed it at will and determined whether its application in a particular case was just. The justification of monstrous actions by appealing to a passionately held ideal, elevated as the standard of reason and morality, is a characteristic feature of political ideologies in power. For the Communists, it was a classless society; for the Nazis, racial purity; for Islamic terrorists, their interpretation of the Koran. The shared feature is that the ideal, according to its true believers, is immune from rational or moral criticism, because it determines what is reasonable and moral.
(Excerpted from City Journal, "Why Robespierre Chose Terror," by John Kekes, Spring 2006)
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Posted by vivek on 11/28/11 11:45 AM
Chilling. Super spine-chilling. The veneer of external law is so thin. society is just rippling below it. Rodney King is a great case in point as are college football victory/defeat celebration/riots.
Such a time to seriously dive in and find our own centers. Inwards.
OWS seems like some sort of loose start for what is to come.
Vivek
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/28/11 12:04 PM
Add to that story, this tale ...
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... and what have you got? A banana republic and/or fascist police state and rogue administration of home grown terrorists ... or simple crooks and thieves living the dream, at everyone else's expense?. Can't see it lasting long though, can you?
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Posted by nik7d on 11/28/11 12:46 PM
So where is this going for the average non-investor - the average pauper farmer not living in paris at the time? and did this not cement rothschild control over france?
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Maybe so.
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Posted by rgperrin on 11/28/11 12:49 PM
The choice of the word "wending" in "Robespierre's War on Terror" was perfect.
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Posted by Steve Campbell on 11/28/11 02:15 PM
From the conclusion: "What Robespierre had unloosed were the most depraved urges of society's dregs. The resulting anarchy temporarily served his purpose, much as the Kristallnacht served Hitler's... "
It may be instructive to re-visit this issue here:
Crystal Night 1938: The Great Anti-German Spectacle by Ingrid Weckert
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Posted by GrandpaSpeaks on 11/28/11 03:56 PM
How can legislation counter the Constitution and Bill of Rights? New legislation makes the Militia Terrorists by definition. I thought that Militias were guaranteed by Constitutional rights. Death by pieces, of the American Dream. We are causing our own country to fail, despite the teachings of the Founding Fathers. Back to basics, people. Jefferson was right, we deserve neither.
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Posted by oldman67 on 11/28/11 05:46 PM
The former PNAC stated that all they needed was a new Pearl Harbor.
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Posted by EdwardUlyssesCate on 11/28/11 08:29 PM
"Safety requires the vigilance of top authorities. And if civil protections are squashed and people's rights are violated, well ... so be it."
This is mis-phrased. In reality, it should be:
"The safety of top authorities requires much vigilance. And if civil protections are squashed and people's rights are violated, well ... so be it. The ruling class thinks it must be protected at all costs."
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Posted by nik7d on 11/28/11 09:18 PM
daily bell,
that was a question, not a comment.
where does this leave the average non-investor?
average investor being the average joe 12pack (doing a little better than joe six pack) who got forced out of markets years ago before even considering the possibility someone might get celente'd in the market.
how might someone (who is still wise enough to study markets without adequate funds to play them) to play this scenario. in this scenario, one might be wise to feel the only skin in the game we have is literally our skin.
so what is a skinny guy to do?
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Posted by nik7d on 11/28/11 09:19 PM
please revise that.
average NON-investor being the average joe 12pack.
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The average non-investor should seek to EDUCATE himself or herself about the markets as best as possible and then make decisions accordingly (based on his life-situation, family needs, etc.) Not rocket science in other words. But most people right now don't even understand the society they live in ...
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/29/11 05:03 AM
"The average non-investor should seek to EDUCATE himself or herself about the markets as best as possible and then make decisions accordingly (based on his life-situation, family needs, etc.) Not rocket science in other words. But most people right now don't even understand the society they live in" ... . Reply from The Daily Bell
I quite agree, DB, but the markets are not without their crooked difficulties and conspiring perils, as can probably be well confirmed and attested to, with the benefit of hindsight and experience, by Anthony [Wile], Executive Director of The Foundation for the Advancement of Free-Market Thinking (FAFMT) and the Chief Editor of The Daily Bell.
It is not an arena for anyone who would be playing by any set of limiting rules with thoughts of regulation. Be warned that it is, along with IT, an extremely HyperRadioProActive and Hostile Environment which cares not a jot about you and yours or theirs, in crazy pursuit of everything ignorant and arrogant that is to be ours?
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Why do you hang around a libertarian website if you believe that Barney Frank and Nancy Peolosi ought to be determining how the markets operate? Why don't you create a dialogue with their staff and send your suggestions as to how to perfect the market to them?
Surely they will have their own ideas and you can discuss who is a criminal and who is corrupt and whom you would put in jail ... and for how long. And perhaps if you are lucky they will introduce you to The Bernank and you can explain to him what you think ought to be done, and how it ought to be done and who ought to do it (besides the market itself).
And if you are really lucky, the state and the Fed will adopt your ideas and force everyone to live by them.
This will gratify you.
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Posted by Merridth80 on 11/29/11 07:15 AM
We have a form of Robespierre, without the spine and intelligence, in our White House in DC, We also have a Robespierre Jr. in the State House of Texas and Michigan as Fed. Senator Levin. How many more Robespierre counterparts do You Know?
Everybody thought Perry, like barry soetoro, was the best thing since sliced bread! Well who's laughing Now? Truth did evolve! You can lie your way into a good thing, but the truth will tell on you!!!
Let us all get behind someone tried and true, Let's vote Dr. Ron Paul President and stop the Madness!!!
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/29/11 08:05 AM
Ref Reply from The Daily Bell to Posted by amanfromMars on 11/29/11 05:03 AM
I quite categorically do not believe, and where did that crazy notion come from, DB, that the likes of Barney Frank and Nancy Peolosi ought to be determining how the markets operate.
They are just not any near smart enough to think of the much bigger picture. Surely their "job" is to maintain the existing system rather than throw it into the trash and pioneer a new one with completely new libertarian protocols which deliver currency for spending rather than collection for the artificial power of what is ponzi wealth. And you know that makes sense.
And have you ever tried to have a direct chat with a closed system of neo-fascist conservative federalism/capitalist mercantilism? Methinks not. And have you noticed that they avoid like the plague getting involved in conversation and dialogue on these free and transparent virtual forums.
And it doesn't take one to be an Einstein to understand the reasoning for that ... .. which are their old ideas and policies would not stand up to forensic scrutiny and exposure to the realities on the ground and as delivered to them by forces beyond their control in cyberspace.
"And if you are really lucky, the state and the Fed will adopt your ideas and force everyone to live by them.
This will gratify you." ... ... Oh please, to force anyone to do anything is to gratify a fools' tool and surely you would not be implying that is a solution for anything.
I certainly wouldn't even dream of it. Indeed, it is probably correct to say that such a forcing of ideas on folk and a tax on their endeavours are at the root cause of most of that which is sub-prime toxic and poisoning the system.
The bottom line is that the existing global system of fiat currency control for power, as it is presently administered, is rumbled/hacked, with the necessary general and specific ignorance of the politically controlled and brainwashed masses, which was vital to allow it to work, being no longer available, and it is the height of madness to not imagine the clear and present imminent danger to those who would be responsible for the maintenance and retention of a now fully compromised and unfit for future purpose system. Their future survival in control of power systems depends upon them piloting/funding a novel alternate program which can seamlessly take over from the current debt creation one.
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Oh, well, allowing for your usual turgidness, this is well said. Perhaps we misunderstood you. (Ha, wonder how that happened?)
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/29/11 12:51 PM
Is jail just too good for crooks in zoot suits? ... ...
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... .. or are we to believe that there was no crime committed?
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Our point, which you don't seem to understand, is that it is immensely attractive to prosecute these people to the "full extent of the law." And after you have done so, you still have the terrible laws in place that YOU used to pursue YOUR vengeance and you still have the LARGER POWER STRUCTURE in place. This is what will likely happen. This is what the elites hope WILL happen. If you are implying that Paulson et. al. run the world, you're probably from another planet ... Oops.
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Posted by Joe on 11/29/11 02:46 PM
"And the law was what Robespierre and his followers willed it to be."
Driven by resentment, rule by lawyer politicians has rendered us all into, 'equally' indebted, taxed citizens who do nothing but dream of consumption and winning the lottery.
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/30/11 12:53 AM
"Our point, which you don't seem to understand, is that it is immensely attractive to prosecute these people to the "full extent of the law." And after you have done so, you still have the terrible laws in place that YOU used to pursue YOUR vengeance and you still have the LARGER POWER STRUCTURE in place. This is what will likely happen. This is what the elites hope WILL happen. If you are implying that Paulson et. al. run the world, you're probably from another planet ... Oops." ... . Reply from The Daily Bell
Thanks for that clarification of your position. And I might perfectly understand the points you are making and would probably agree with nearly all of them. However, you appear to dodge every time the point which I may be making, which is whilst nothing is being done to attribute blame and deliver appropriate sanction on individuals to prevent them from being able to continue their practices [and let us consider locking them away in a secure federal penitentiary is a valid proposition and acceptable public service, rather than an act of vengeance, for such as may be considered a crime], will the practices continue unabated and will the system, along with its unknown LARGER POWER STRUCTURE heads, inevitable collapse and/or be destroyed, just by the knowledge of that which they would be doing being more widely known ... ... . or better known to other groups, which might be themselves quite ridiculously small, but very well organised and well connected to other systems which would with to leverage that particular knowledge to their own overwhelming advantage. In that case, would it not be a case of power elite practices being widely known, but rather more that they be known to a select few who would be able and enabled to act upon what they would then know.
And such a tipping point may even have arrived and an unstoppable chain of events which will change everything beyond all present recognition may very well be in motion/train. You surely would not deny that the Internet Reformation [along with any of ITs Virtual AIRevolutions] can easily do all of that, by remote relatively anonymous control, with other parties and non-state actors?
For a tad more on that, please see today's AIdDefinite Vision lead in ... ... . Click to view link ... . which you can be metaphorically assured is just the tip of a niceberg, which fortunately you don't really need to know about, but which is free to share with you whatever it will should more intelligence and information be required.
And I am thoroughly heartened to imagine that you are entering into the true spirit of future things with your closing Oops. :-) Such light craziness and self mocking banter is a most effective hedge and creative counter against any thoughts of overtaking global madness, and a protection against those out in the field, and lost, and doing heavy and losing battle with themselves in their madnesses with only myriad lonely delusional psychotic micro states to comfort them.
Although if that is not true, would I not delude myself to think otherwise.
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However, you appear to dodge every time the point which I may be making, which is whilst nothing is being done to attribute blame and deliver appropriate sanction on individuals to prevent them from being able to continue their practices [and let us consider locking them away in a secure federal penitentiary is a valid proposition and acceptable public service.
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No we don't agree with you. We believe in private justice. Get the state out of the business of dispensing "punishments that fit the crime." Get the government out of deciding when one has paid his "debt to society."
Here is the justice you apparently believe in. You turn out not to be from another planet after all, just an another secret authoritarian dressing up his devotion powerful sociopaths with incomprehensible, ill delivered language.
DEATH BY GOVERNMENT
Transaction Publishers, 1994.
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Truth will come to light; murder cannot be hid long
----Shakespeare, Merchant of Venice
CONTENTS
Figures and Tables
Forward (by Irving Louis Horowitz)
Preface
Acknowledgments
1. 169,202,000 Murdered: Summary and Conclusions [20th Century Democide]
I BACKGROUND
2. The New Concept of Democide [Definition of Democide]
3. Over 133,147,000 Murdered: Pre-Twentieth Century Democide
II 128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS
4. 61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime
III 19,178,000 VICTIMS: THE LESSER MEGA-MURDERERS
8. 5,964,000 Murdered: Japan's Savage Military
9. 2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State
10. 1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey's Genocidal Purges
11. 1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State
12. 1,585,000 Murdered: Poland's Ethnic Cleansing
13. 1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State
14. 1,072,000 Murdered: Tito's Slaughterhouse
IV 4,145,000 VICTIMS: SUSPECTED MEGAMURDERERS
15. 1,663,000 Murdered? Orwellian North Korea
16. 1,417,000 Murdered? Barbarous Mexico
17. 1,066,000 Murdered? Feudal Russia
References Index
IMPORTANT NOTE: Among all the democide estimates appearing in this book, some have been revised upward. I have changed that for Mao's famine, 1958-1962, from zero to 38,000,000. And thus I have had to change the overall democide for the PRC (1928-1987) from 38,702,000 to 76,702,000. Details here.
I have changed my estimate for colonial democide from 870,000 to an additional 50,000,000. Details here.
Thus, the new world total: old total 1900-1999 = 174,000,000. New World total = 174,000,000 + 38,000,000 (new for China) + 50,000,000 (new for Colonies) = 262,000,000.
Just to give perspective on this incredible murder by government, if all these bodies were laid head to toe, with the average height being 5', then they would circle the earth ten times. Also, this democide murdered 6 times more people than died in combat in all the foreign and internal wars of the century. Finally, given popular estimates of the dead in a major nuclear war, this total democide is as though such a war did occur, but with its dead spread over a century.
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/30/11 09:53 AM
"No we don't agree with you. We believe in private justice. Get the state out of the business of dispensing "punishments that fit the crime." Get the government out of deciding when one has paid his "debt to society." " …. Reply from The Daily Bell
Ok, I would have no difficulty with that for it matters not a jot to anyone sensible, I'd guess, just so long as justice in whatever clothes it would wear is dispensed fairly to all. But who do you recognise as being qualified to decide on such matters and what would be the punitive and preventative sanctions to safeguard all from those who are bent on cause harm and/or social disruption …… creating an advantage which delivers disadvantage.
And by private justice, do you mean a business, which some might think is the problem today with judges easily being bought to render the system an ass.
We could take a few steps further and decide that to get the state and government out of everything is a noble plan too, considering how it is that they are as parasites and pariahs paid for by the people? Well they don't actually make anything, do they, and yet spend everyones taxes, and more from wherever money is invented whenever there is never enough, and in so doing effectively and cynically create a public debt from an essentially private operation, on things that they like and which don't necessarily enhance and enrich the population. Simplistic, I know, but basically perfectly true.
Oh and that justice you think I apparently believe in … "Here is the justice you apparently believe in. You turn out not to be from another planet after all, just an another secret authoritarian dressing up his devotion powerful sociopaths with incomprehensible, ill delivered language." …. is nothing like anything I believe in.
This has been a very enlightening chat, DB. Thanks for that.
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We have written about private justice numerous times. We have written about it just today, in fact. If you disagree with what we wrote, or think it harsh, explain what you DO believe in. This is a libertarian site. There are not actually that many of them though we hope there will be more.
The "justice meme" (that only the state can provide justice) is going to be one of the last memes to fail. It is failing now, however, and we will attempt to help it along.
For tens of thousands of years, human beings got along without the kinds of prison-industrial complexes that dot the world today. We hope sincerely, that the modern system degrades substantially.
We are for freedom, not state power.
Thought at one point amanfromMars was too ....
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Posted by taxesbyanyothername on 11/30/11 10:07 AM
Perhaps they have just floated this bill, to make another that is not quite so draconian seem palatable.
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Posted by amanfromMars on 11/30/11 01:13 PM
"We have written about private justice numerous times. We have written about it just today, in fact. If you disagree with what we wrote, or think it harsh, explain what you DO believe in."
I had a good read at all that was written today and would not disagree with anything, nor did I consider anything harsh, DB, but I didn't find any mention of what your private justice would do with those at the top of the tree who have been using Wall Street type minions as their proxy for all manner of toxic sub-prime shenanigans. Do you imagine them to have one of those dodgy abusive sovereign type immunities which encourage both the psychopath and the psychotic fool to consider acting with the folly, impunity? Surely not. That would be to embrace madness and anarchy and that always leads to self-destruction.
