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WikiLeaks: Clever PsyOps?
WikiLeaks Drop Shows U.S. Striving to Maintain Order in Chaotic Global Relations ... Some of the diplomatic papers stolen from the State Department and leaked Sunday by WikiLeaks show more than just potentially embarrassing revelations about U.S. views of allies but disturbing developments among alleged friends as well as foes and competitive states. The details from the cables being released – among 250,000 illegally taken from secret State Department records – include discussions on the U.S. being unable to stop Syrian arms to Hezbollah, its disappointment in Qatar to stop funding terrorism and hacking by the Chinese government of U.S. computers. Other communiques passed forward by the website to several newspapers also reveal U.S. talk about individual leaders like Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, who the Guardian reported was noted to be "accompanied everywhere by a 'voluptuous blonde' Ukrainian nurse." The Guardian also cites cables that call Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin an "alpha-dog," says Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai is "driven by paranoia" and describes German Chancellor Angela Merkel as one who "avoids risk and is rarely creative." The cables also suggest that the U.S. had sought to use its embassies in the global espionage network. – FOX News
Dominant Social Theme: Julian Assange is a low-life, thieving sexual pervert who has placed US security at risk, endangered the lives of hardworking US bureaucrats, shown us what the Internet really is (a place good only for use by thieving, sexual perverts who want to put the hard-working men and women of the US State Dept at risk.) The Pentagon should immediately tighten its security, refuse further requests for information and draw up plans to bomb Iran.
Free-Market Analysis: Is Julian Assange the rebel-with-a-cause that he makes himself out to be? We gave him the benefit of the doubt for months, and still do, but with less and less certainty. We don't remember when our suspicions became more pronounced, but (credit where credit is due) the ever-sleuthing blogger and Bell feedbacker Lila Rajiva was there before us, believing for one reason or another that Assange was part of a larger disinformation campaign by the powers-that-be.
Now we are not willing to suggest this is a certainty (and maybe Ms. Rajiva is still not certain either.) But every time his WikiLeaks does another one of these data dumps, Assange takes another step backward in our view. Back in July after a massive WikiLeaks "dump" seemed to set a narrative that Pakistan was at fault for the Afghan war, we'd had enough and wrote a fictional narrative in which we imagined two CIA agents coming up with the idea for an Assange-like character. You can read our analysis here: Comes a Blond Stranger.
This latest effort by Assange raises even more doubts so far as we are concerned. First, there is the constant (annoying) advance dissemination of information to the likes of mainstream leftist publications such as the UK Guardian and Le Monde ... and previously to the New York Times. Anyone who believes that the New York Times (or the Guardian for that matter) is not in cahoots with the powers-that-be, has got to be terminally naïve in our opinion. That goes for Assange, too.
Does Assange, for all his apparent cynicism, not get it? He believes that the mainstream media is worth cultivating for his purposes? Apparently, he is fairly sure of their cooperation. Not that Assange puts it that way. There's plenty of information on the Internet about the way the world works. But rather than focus on the mercantilist intrigues of the Anglosphere, which uses the levers of government to advance its own private interests, Assange focuses attention on the government itself with his endless leaks of hundreds of thousands of low-level documents that are somehow "classified."
It's early days and much more is sure to emerge from this latest massive dissemination of raw, "secret" data, but from our point of view the Anglosphere, maybe, doesn't have much to worry about. (We could still be wrong.) Here's the narrative – the COINTELPRO promotion (if that is what is) – as we see it. Below we list the "news" as it pertains to the secret data that's been revealed and then the "result" – which is often favorable to the Anglosphere and its "war on terror" in our humble view ...
• Assange provides various mainstream publications with advance information so they can "break" their stories. RESULT: Wonderful anti-establishment credibility for failing mainstream pubs that are seen more and more as mouthpieces for the elite.
• Information bluntly characterizes foreign leaders and often in a snide or patronizing manner. RESULT: This is terrible for the US diplomatic corp? To get their opinions on world leaders out in an open forum while the foreign leaders themselves have no way to respond? If it is a disinformation campaign, it's a brilliant one.
• The US diplo corps is shown as pleading with allies for more responsibility and less support for terrorism. RESULT: A perception that the Americans seem to be fighting a valiant uphill battle. The world is encouraging terrorism and Foggy Bottom is doing its level best to protect the American people.
• The Chinese are suspected of hacking US computers. RESULT: And how exactly is this a black eye from the Anglosphere's standpoint? The Chinese are "bad guys." This is a negative for the Anglo-American axis how exactly?
• The US is using its embassies for spying. RESULT: The perception that the US is pulling out all the stops to keep its citizens safe from terrorism. Diplomacy is an ugly business, but the US is doing what it needs to do.
• Iran seems to be winning in Iraq, and US diplo and military correspondence seems to indicate that. RESULT: Evidence accumulating that it will be necessary to bomb Iran. In fact, bomb now. Before its leaders can do more damage.
• US allies like Saudi Arabia have been pleading with the US to take out Iran by any means necessary. RESULT: Evidence accumulating that even Islamic countries are alarmed by this crazy, out-of-control-nation Iran. Bomb Iran now! – Before its leaders can do more damage.
• The data being released by Assange is dangerous and his methodology is unforgivable. He is jeopardizing many lives. RESULT: The perception is increasingly clarified that the Internet is a dangerous instrument that must be brought under control so that people like Assange don't abuse it.
• Who is this man, Assange? This blond stranger? His actions are questionable to say the least, and he may be a rapist as well, according to Swedish prosecutors ... RESULT: We begin to see that he is in fact quite obviously and evidently a sexual pervert. This is the sort of riffraff that the Internet attracts. Only a pervert would seek to do this kind of damage to the national security of the US. The Internet attracts perverts of this sort, that seek to use the Internet perversely, causing great damage to national security, embarrassing hard-working bureaucrats, making it difficult for soldiers to kill more Taliban and generally threatening the lives and reputations of those who have supported America's serial wars and quasi-genocidal campaigns at great risk to themselves ...
• These revelations are simply out of control. The US intelligence agencies (all 16 of them) are seeking Assange and are constantly releasing "open letters" to Assange asking him to stop it. RESULT: Where is this massive and feared US intel operation? Where is the evidence of its fiercesome power – all the renditions, all the torture. Doesn't seem so terrible after all. Paper tiger? Pussycat. Nothing to fear here. Heck, nothing to see.
• These revelations must stop. The US government in particular has been very lax about security. But from now on the Pentagon in particular is simply not going to release much information pertaining to its operations at home and abroad. RESULT: Can those in leadership positions at the Pentagon be blamed for acting this way? Sure the Pentagon has been virtually transparent all these years, but now, well ... no more Mr. Nice Guy. The walls are going up. What we can't burn, we're gonna shred. And not a morsel is going to be provided to the press. Hey, what else can we do?
These are just some of the points that we have noticed the mainstream media making. The "results" are not being stated in so many words, but of course they don't have to be. The "data dump" speaks for itself. Of course in the days to follow, maybe we shall be proven wrong and there will be revelations that won't be "embarrassing" but that will actually prove detrimental to the US war-making effort, especially in Afghanistan. (Alternatively, there ARE such revelations, but the mainstream press is simply not covering them; this latter possibility makes certainty regarding WikiLeaks' role harder to define. We will be glad to write a followup article if we begin to believe our current analysis is incorrect, as we do believe the US has been waging unjustifiable wars, creating more enemies for the West and contributing to rising military tensions around the globe.)
Conclusion: But for now these leaks seem to: ridicule diplomats and leaders outside the US; show that the US is not an all-powerful global entity but a paper tiger that cannot even track down Assange; show that the Internet is being employed by perverts like Assange to ruin the credibility of the US and Foggy Bottom's ability to protect US citizens from harm; illustrate clearly a need to go to war with Iran; proffer evidence of China's perfidy in attacking US military/Internet facilities; make the point that US and European mainstream media organizations are "where the action is" when it comes to wholesale revelations of the US military-industrial complex. None of this is bad for the US as we see it, or Assange's intelligence handlers, if that is indeed what is going on.
Editor's Note: Regarding our use of the word "pervert" in this article. We have no idea if the charges against Assange are true. We believe him innocent until proven guilty. State monopoly justice, in which the state pays the prosecutor, the legislators, the judge and the penitentiary keepers means that it is almost impossible to get a fair trial in the West. Our use of the word was intended to show how the powers-that-be, in our view, are demonizing Assange (and the Internet) by smearing him sexually. it is an old trick and one the intelligence agencies inevitably use these days, to play on shame-based instincts, etc. We do not call Mr. Assange a pervert. Anyway, we would never use such language, and thus were putting the word in the mouths of others. It is disgusting and dehumanizing. The mainstream media, unfortunately, uses it all the time, especially in the US.
Further Note: Maybe, as a result of all these releases Assange will be proven to be a courageous and committed man. That would be our hope. Perhaps these releases will incite world opinion to turn more strongly against the US's serial wars and endless "collateral damage" (ongoing killings of women and children in various "theatres of war."). Yes, we wish fervently that the wars will end. They are manipulated wars in our opinion. The US needs to return to its founding Jeffersonian principles and reduce its 1,000 overseas military bases. The military industrial complex needs to be pared back. Will Assange actions help in this regard? That is what we are trying to determine as a publication devoted to tracking the promotion of the power elite and money power generallly. That is the reason for this article ...
Posted by Samix on 11/29/10 11:55 AM
This also may be the Anglosphere's way of telling the world leaders to tow their line and do as commanded, or else documents that can decimate their political careers and goodwill may just be released through wikileaks.
Smart way, must say...
Posted by Lila Rajiva on 11/29/10 11:53 AM
I also don't believe that "the government" (whoever or whatever is intended by that term) is running a massive psy-op. To put it in those terms is to immediately discredit the theory. If he is a tool, it is of one group, likely a small one.
I also think, many people in the establishment are REALLY ticked off about wikileaks. I don't think that is put on.
I DO think that Assange is not entirely what he purports to be.
He is much more of a grandstander and much less concerned with the repercussions of what he is doing. Which is also consistent with what many libertarians conceive liberty to be.
I think a more astute, political entity, is likely using him as needed, with the connivance of figures in the MSM.
"More transparence in government" is a very large and unedited order. It needs to be qualified to understand whether the result is actually more liberty and freedom or more tyranny.
If a small group of resistance fighters were plotting to assassinate Hitler, a truth-teller of Assange's kind might well destroy them. And that would result in...what?
Posted by Bill Ross on 11/29/10 11:43 AM
"much more transparency of government..."
You will know them by what they CHOOSE to do:
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Posted by Krieger on 11/29/10 11:39 AM
"he might be ideologically committed as many libertarians are, to a perfect transparency model of society."
I don't believe that we should have a perfect transparency of society, but rather wish for much more transparency of government...
Posted by Krieger on 11/29/10 11:35 AM
"Why has Assange gone out of his way to de-emphasize 9/11 and the admitted lies of the Bush administration"
my guess is, that he sees it the same way as Ron Paul or Noam Chomsky do: you can't argue that 9/11 is an inside job if you don't have rock solid proof. The best thing they can do is to ask for a reinvestigation, but as long as you can't get a majority in Congress to reopen the case, you're doomed to fail against an apparatus as powerful as the DoD ( MSM).
Just imagine Ron Paul saying publicly that 911 was an inside job without proof! He would loose credibility and all his eye opening stands on issues LIKE US foreign policy (or Libertarianism in general) would be publicly neglected (esp. after a MSM campign).
As to 911: I am a scientist and I did look into this topic quite a bit, but nevertheless I didn't find proof without doubt. The only thing I can say for sure is a massiv coverup by the Bush Administration and esp. in the 911 Commission Report, but by saying this, I cannot jump to conclusion why exactly they were covered up and who specificly was protected by it...
As to Wikileaks: I believe it is going to be interesting to see if there are any documents prior to the Iraq war. This might actually be the Lackmus Test...
Posted by Lila Rajiva on 11/29/10 11:35 AM
In Assange's favor:
* he can't be held liable if someone else spins the material he releases.
*distancing himself from 9-11 skepticism might be the price he has to pay to be allowed major media exposure. And msm exposure might be what he thinks he needs to protect himself from repercussions from non-western countries. That is, he might be essentially committed to western dominance, but believe in a more open system within that dominance.
*he might be cynical enough to believe that his larger exposure of "the system" might be worth some fudging of the truth.
*he might be ideologically committed as many libertarians are, to a perfect transparency model of society.
A commitment to perfect transparency (whether he is an intel tool or not) is in itself totalitarian.
I will take the John Youngs of the world (with all their crabbiness), those Bartelbys toiling in the dust of nameless archives, over this bizarre libertarian cyber-messiah.
Posted by Victor Barney on 11/29/10 11:35 AM
"Money power has been around for thousands of years, including several thousand years when Israel DID NOT EXIST."
Interesting, but I have clinically deductively read the Bible as commanded(2 Peter 1:20), which is ONLY about the Set-Apart Spiritually begotten Assembly(144,000) and about Israel i.e., Jacob and his 12 sons, the name "Israel" only given to Ephraim and Mannasseh, which were to become the biggest civil powers in man's history ever, which England alone has already accomplished(Ephraim)! Judah was only given "grace,"(Messiah) but never given the name Israel, which was given only to Joseph's two sons(Gen. 48:16), who broke their "Sabbaths Covenant" and lost their name identiy! Only 144,000 of them survive too in order to keep the promise made to Jacob. So, YOU can talk about "money power" all you want, but it only was given to Israel in order to forefill the promise given them! However, they broke the Sabbaths covenant made with them and now they will be broken! However, as Israel goes, so goes the world, money power and all! Yes, Israel will be punished for 3 1/2 years, but a remnant will survive and they, NOT ANY OTHER, will control Money Power around the world. Watch and, it will not be too long, although it definitely will seem like a very, very, very long time, starting in one of the soon coming September's on the Feast of Trumpets(War)! Again, watch! Jacob's punishment will last 3 1/2 years(Jacob's trouble), but they WILL survive through grace! Watch!
Posted by Tannim on 11/29/10 11:22 AM
Nah, you see the symptoms but misdiagnose it.
They all do not indicate a massive PsyOps.
They all indicate a desperate exploitation of the situation and spin job to save the appropriate behinds of those named.
To assume our government is that brilliant would be a huge overestimation. If they were that brilliant, then they would have heeded the sage words of George Washington and not getting into the messes internationally that led to the information that WikiLeaks released in the first place.
Posted by Cassandra on 11/29/10 11:05 AM
It's always a good idea to reevaluate motives any time there is new information but it's doubtful Julian Assange is an intelligence asset imho. There are millions of cables so it's expected that the media machine will try to spin it to their advantage right out of the gate.
The U.S. media, as last time, were told to avoid the facts contained in the cables and concentrate on the reaction " that way they can be seen to be reporting the story, but nobody's really learning anything (except the things that fit their meme that they've cherry-picked.)
Remember too that these are diplomatic cables that will have as their subject matter things that reflect the American agenda, which has been to convince other countries to distrust Iran. It's not surprising that in their cables they try to show how that agenda might be succeeding, so the cherry-picking starts even before the cable is written.
Secondly, although it is dangerous to underestimate the intelligence agencies, I think they would have done many things differently if this were an intelligence operation. They're just not that smart. This is not to say that they couldn't be using Wikileaks in some way to mitigate the damage and plant some red herrings but from what I can tell their panic is genuine.
It's more likely their new tactic is to convince everyone that it really is a psy-op. They are having a hard time discrediting Assange despite the sexual assault charges, and this might be the only way to make him go away. If you can't stop the information from coming out the only option is to stop people believing it.
Thankfully there are thoughtful analysts and bloggers such as the Daily Bell that continue to examine different perspectives using reason as the only arbiter. It's nice to see that critical thinking is still alive and kicking.
Posted by Krieger on 11/29/10 10:56 AM
@DB, Further Note
I was rather surprised, that instead of asking your readers to have a look at the already leaked documents and to see if they can find some interesting material, you'd rather published the WikiLeaks: Clever PsyOps? article...
If you had come to your conclusion by evaluating the quality of the leaked documents so far, that there is (or might be) a "bigger picture" to look at, and that in fact those leaked documents are a PE promotion, then I might could have followed your string of thought!
So I am sorry to say, that I have to agree with Radek, that this is one of your poorer articles yet " and reading the comments of some of your lemmings, I believe this article proves to be conterproductive at this stage of time...
Nevertheless, I have read about the dozen leaked documents regarding Austria and Germany so far. Besides many trivial reports sent back home to Washington, I surely was surprised to see how effective US Embassies are in promoting their policy goals in foreign countries.
And it was shocking to read about how esp. Wolfgang Schuble was willing to serve his masters in Washington regarding sharing information of private data of german citizens with US intel. Agencies.
If you indeed want to return to Jeffersonian principles (no entangling alliances but rather friendship and trade), then we all need to understand were the systemic failures of US foreign politics are in order to fix it and to eliminate the corruption within. As far as I can say today, the Wikileak Documents provide a unique insight into the core of the system itself.
Reply from The Daily Bell
We added two editor's notes to the article to address the points you raise. Apparently they were not enough for you. Time will tell. If we are wrong, especially, it will be incumbent on us to write a follow up.
Here is another question. Why has Assange gone out of his way to de-emphasize 9/11 and the admitted lies of the Bush administration et al. regarding the circumstances surrounding the attack? (See Rutger's Dean John Farmer who served on the 9/11 Commission and has written a book disavowing conclusions of the Committee.)
Posted by Gavin on 11/29/10 10:52 AM
"Maybe, as a result of all these releases Assange will be proven to be a courageous and committed man."
Courageous and committed to who? Perhaps Israel? Going by some of the snippets you've chosen to review that's how it looks to me (and apparently to many other bloggers across the blogsphere as well.)
Who benefits from these Wikileaks? Try substituting "Israel" with "Saudi Arabia" and you would get a more accurate picture IMO. And who REALLY wants to bomb Iran; Islamic countries? Or Israel?
-Iran seems to be winning in Iraq, and US diplo and military correspondence seems to indicate that. RESULT: Evidence accumulating that it will be necessary to bomb Iran. In fact, bomb now. Before its leaders can do more damage.
-US allies like Saudi Arabia have been pleading with the US to take out Iran by any means necessary. RESULT: Evidence accumulating that even Islamic countries are alarmed by this crazy, out-of-control-nation Iran. Bomb Iran now! ' Before its leaders can do more damage.[/snip]
-As I see it you've failed to point out the elephant in the living room. I'm disappointed in this particular article, DB.
Reply from The Daily Bell
Who benefits from Wikileaks? It may well be that Israel benefits - along with the larger Anglosphere. But to try to make Israel, constantly the major player in these sorts of arrangements (if it is an arrangement) is not feasible in our view. It is the Anglosphere that leads the way, not Mossad.
We should simply make this a permanent disclaimer:
"The Anglosphere was around long before Israel. Prominent Jewish banking families (among others) apparently were kicked out of Venice and intermarried with British elites.
"The Anglosphere is partially Jewish and at its highest levels likely controlled by the Red Shield (Rothschilds) that may run the power elite much as the mafia does. It may be predominantly Jewish because the Rothschilds are Jewish.
"But there is plenty of speculation that the Rothschilds ARE NOT really Jewish at this point but that the religion they and others in the elite practice (if they practice a religion at all) is certainly other than normal Judaism or even Talmudic Judaism.
"To continually insist that all "Jews" lurk behind money power, or that Israel is responsible for money power is simply ludicrous.
"Money power has been around for thousands of years, including several thousand years when Israel DID NOT EXIST."
Posted by 4irw4y on 11/29/10 10:50 AM
Enough Counting Sheep: Insomnia Manual on American Foreign Policy.
Also, nearly every more/less noticeable paper in the world has similar clichee, which focuses on nearly ten similar citings from 250.000 cables on board. I find it impressive and amusing.
Men'd want to know names, accounts, numbers and sums when Mr. Assange publish anything Bradley Manning got about global corruption. Otherwise, it's going to be a mainline of the screenplay stories already been swallowed and sh*tted out by Hollywood.
Posted by Helen on 11/29/10 10:49 AM
There is only one reason Hillary Clinton would ask for biometric info: DNA, facial structure, etc... During invasions of countries, leaders and their administrations run for cover. Once located, they must be identified and destroyed. They cannot be allowed to live and endanger any new government the PE would put in place. This is some of the most striking info for me.
Posted by John Blenkins on 11/29/10 10:44 AM
Interesting how Iran is predominate in many of these leaks and the promotion of Arab against Arab to reinforce Zionist American agenda
against Iran.What does Iran think of all this?
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MSM huffing and puffing about Wikileaks since Friday makes one sceptical. As the assertion that 9/11 conspiracy theorists time would better
employed by jumping on the real anti government truth tellers bandwagon!? Rings of radio Moscow of the 80s.
Posted by Bill Ross on 11/29/10 10:37 AM
"seems to provide any insights into..."
Take it for what it's worth, the Guardian has a spiel on how this leak came about:
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Apparently, this info came from a military intelligence network which did not have access to higher level diplomatic machinations.
IMHO, powerful elements within the US military may not consider it to be in their self-interest to be used as expendable pawns, on the path to zero credibility and organizational destruction and being stripped of resources. Loosely stated, these elements would undoubetly encompass the "Oath Keepers".
Look for more "leaks", some actually causing REAL elite damage as alliances shift away from elites and their machinations.
Posted by Lila Rajiva on 11/29/10 10:27 AM
AK: A tool of whom Lila ?
Lila: One branch of intelligence likely
AK: Because that's what wikileaks is, a tool for disclosing classified documents that have not appeared anywhere else before.
Lila: Yes. The word classified doesn't necessarily equal crucially significant.
AK: So far every intel operation named in the last few rounds of wikileaks has come out and condemned them.
Lila: If wikileaks were intel, I would EXPECT them to, wouldn't you?
AK: Mi6 would be the only intel group capable of this kind of op
Lila: Really, why? Mossad isn't?
AK: Forget US intel, they could not organised a drinking competition in a brewery. Well not unless it cost so much that the brewery went bankrupt before the start of the contest.
Lila: Ah, the "dumb yanks" meme. Amazing that Americans can even tie their shoelaces. They have to wait for the British to do it for them, right? Or better yet, the Israelis. But you don't mention them, do you?
AK: You seriously think Mi6 wold leak that Lila ?
Lila: MI6 like Mossad or CIA is a bureaucracy...one part could well wish to embarrass another part while conveying disinformation. Sacrificing lives " the definition of war. They do that all the time.
AK: 'So they tend to support acts intended to lash out against the perpetrators, thereby most commonly preparing the ground for yet another cycle of blowback.
Lila: Blowback. Another meme, meant to sweep 9-11 under the rug.
Posted by Steven Dedalus on 11/29/10 10:21 AM
How interesting that none of these hundreds of thousands of documents seems to provide any insights into the Twitter Revolution either for Iran or Moldova, let alone the earlier Orange and Rose franchises. Odd also this brouhaha comes on the same day two Iranian scientists are murdered by what we would otherwise call "terrorists."
Posted by Victor Barney on 11/29/10 10:08 AM
WikiLeaks: Clever PsyOps?
Wouldn't ya love to think so? As Obama's papa took away the only other Republic in the world(Kenya), Barak is out to make America Marxist(Anti-Messiah)! Problem? Yes! This is NOT Kenya, it's the true "Israel" a NAME given to Joseph's kids(now Great Britain and America, NOT Judah, only given grace(Messiah), but NOT race(sorry forbidden foreigner over the true Israel(Deut. 17:15)! Next, one of these coming September's(2012?) will come Yahshua's Two-Witnesses of Revelation to punish u.s. for 3 1/2 years called Jacob's trouble! Guess who will give each other presents when the Anti-Christ(Head-Marxist) kills these Two-Witnesses?
However, remember that first(Cain) will be last and last(Seth) will be first in the resurrection! p.s. Only 144,000 people from the 12 tribes of Israel, excluding Dan(Irish) will be saved alive! "Repent and be baptized in the name of Yahshua"(Hebrew meaning is: Yahweh is salvation)! You do know that "Hebrew" is the "only" spiritually inspired language, right, not Greek, Latin or even English? Zeph. 3:9, Acts 26:14, 1 Cor. 4:6
Posted by Daniel Stafford on 11/29/10 10:03 AM
Thanks for putting my suspicions into words. I hope we are wrong and doubts diminish, but as it stands I smell a rat.
Posted by Al Kyder on 11/29/10 09:54 AM
Julian Assange of WikiLeaks is probably working for the CIA since he is free like a bird and financially well taken care of.
Because we all know that the mighty US of A can just pluck anyone out of society day or night wherever or whenever they feel like it.
So hoist ol' glory and submit to the inevitable, you know you'll have to sooner or later!
@ Lila Rajiva
A tool of whom Lila ? Because thats what wikileaks is, a tool for disclosing classified documents that have not appeared anywhere else before.
So far every intel operation named in the last few rounds of wikileaks has come out and condemned them. Mi6 would be the only intel group capable of this kind of op, forget US intel, they could not organised a drinking competition in a brewery. Well not unless it cost so much that the brewery went bankrupt before the start of the contest.
MI6, introduces a fake Taliban commander to 'peace talks' with Afghan President Hamid Karzai. A Pakistani shopkeeper, pretending to be the Taliban second-in-command Mullah Mansour, then defrauds MI6 out of £600,000, his fee for taking part in the charade.
He was flown into Kabul for three secret meetings with Afghan and Nato representatives, including one at President Karzai's palace.
Karzai's chief of staff says: 'The British authorities are responsible. This is embarrassing and has undercut the notion there was some momentum towards talks.'
Never mind WikiLeaks, how many lives might this exercise cost? The imposter has disappeared with the money " and information useful to the Taliban.
What does MI6 have to say?
You seriously think Mi6 wold leak that Lila ?
Best quote of the day ;
It could cost lives, they say, referring to leaked documents about what we're doing in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is always the cry. It's an insult to our war dead.
They didn't lose their lives because of WikiLeaks. The best explanation I've heard came in the obituaries last week for U.S. academic and CIA consultant Dr Chalmers Johnson, who has died in California aged 79.
Dr Johnson said the U.S. misuses its great power, adding : 'When the retaliation comes, as it did so spectacularly on September 11, 2001, the American public is unable to put the events in context.
'So they tend to support acts intended to lash out against the perpetrators, thereby most commonly preparing the ground for yet another cycle of blowback.
Reply from The Daily Bell
"Because we all know that the mighty US of A can just pluck anyone out of society day or night wherever or whenever they feel like it."
Again, you make a foolish and unsubstantiated comment. Assange was in trouble as youth and had substantive interactions with Australian authorities. Who knows what deals he has made, or hasn't, and at what age. But his interactions are documented.
"When the retaliation comes, as it did so spectacularly on September 11, 2001, the American public is unable to put the events in context."
No doubt you believe Osama bin Laden is alive and living in a cave in Pakistan, surrounded by kidney dialysis machines. You are in superb form today. You really ought to apply to Fox and see if you can land a job as a news reader.