"Yes, but we don't buy it. The Renaissance reintroduced scientific method and logical thinking, etc. The Reformation set up a system that continually shattered elite power structures including the idea that royal power came from Godhead. These were good things. It is possible that the elites set these changes in motion because they had to, but they surely didn't appreciate the results ..."

I think that the excerpt I quoted has much larger implications than a simple analysis of the Renaissance and the Reformation.

Also, and this is a point I made in the past, I don't think that the elites necessarily are, or at least that they always were, a monolithic bloc. DB's analysis appears to me a bit simplistic in that regard. The Renaissance and the Reformation could profitably be analyzed as a change engineered by one faction (the "Bankers/Scientists/Materialists/Humanists") to gain ascendancy over another faction (the "Traditional Catholics and their allies" or something like that). Here, I am influenced by a similar analysis proposed by W. Tarpley.

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"Here, I am influenced by a similar analysis proposed by W. Tarpley."

But we are not. And apparently the modern banking families can trace their roots to Venice a thousand years ago. There WERE competing factions then, within the Western context then. There may not be now.

"It is an interesting hypothesis. That is why we have chosen to call those involved with the high banking families "Pharasees." It is not the mass of Jewish laypeople or any other group, but an elite that is consciously manipulating the environment and diminishing freedom.

As far as the Renaissance and Reformation go; it is perfectly possible that the elites had a hand in them. But our paradigm reveals that the elites were reacting to the Gutenberg Press technology and trying to control an intellectual awakening. We would argue that they may have steered events but that they could NOT ultimately control them. They eventually took a "step back.""

DB, there's more to it. You should also have a look at Evola's take on the methods used by the elites (this also comes from the link I posted) - you will see why I was so keen on bringing his work to the attention of DB's readers:


"Using some of Rene Guenon's ideas, Evola now attempts to examine some of the methods which are used by the global subversives. Firstly, "scientific suggestion" is used in order to explain history purely in terms of key events being influenced by political, social or economic factors. Secondly, whenever the first method becomes impossible the hidden forces decide to use the "tactic of replacement" instead. This involves the dissemination of certain philosophical ideas which can be used as a diversion for those events which defy a positivist explanation. It functions as a means of preventing the intellectuals from understanding the true nature of what is really going on in the world. This leads us towards the third strategic category: the "tactic of counterfeits." This latter stage is essentially designed to explain away those factors of the conspiracy which unavoidably find their way into the mainstream and cause a backlash. This development, according to Evola, can often take the form of a Traditional reaction to the degeneration of society, although the occult powers then use terms such as "anachronism," "anti-history," "immobilism" and "regression" in order to counteract this process and thus prevent their enemies from winning popular support.

The fourth ploy is the "tactic of inversion," in which the enemy concentrates its efforts on attacking the spiritual realm: "After limiting the influence that could be exercised in this regard by Christianity, through the spread of materialism and scientism, the forces of global subversion have endeavoured to conveniently divert any tendency towards the supernatural arising outside the dominant religion and the limitation of its dogmas." This means that the individual is encouraged to lose him or herself in shallow distractions such as psychology and spiritualism, rather than try to advance in a truly superior and supernatural way. Evola criticises the West's distorted analysis of Eastern mysticism, and the fact that the traditional wisdom of the Orient has often been repackaged within Masonry or Theosophy and forcibly reconciled with Western values. And, due to this process of dilution, it has been easily torn to shreds by the secret denizens of the conspiracy and thus laughably rejected as pure superstition. Another method is the "tactic of ricochet," through which those sympathetic to Tradition are falsely assured that by attacking the remaining traditionalist structures they are somehow advancing their own cause: "Those who do not realise what is going on and who, because of material interests, attack Tradition in like-minded people sooner or later must expect to see Tradition attacked in themselves, by ricochet." Modern States, of course, use infiltration in order to sow the seeds of ideological discord. This can lead to personality clashes, greed and self-advancement at the expense of the very Idea itself.

The sixth category is the "scapegoat tactic," which results in the targeting of individuals or groups which usually turn out to be mostly blameless. The Protocols, for example, may seem fairly accurate when it comes to identifying the Masons and the Jews as the source of all our problems, but to scapegoat people to this extent is misleading and unrealistic. The next step - the "tactic of dilution" - relates to the use of nationalism as a means of bringing people down to a common level, rather than of restoring true perspective and hierarchy. This process "dilutes" the Traditional components inherent within nationalistic ideas and redirects them in accordance with the objectives of the secret powers. One method is the way in which revolutionary nationalists have eroded all traces of that which preceded their ascending to power, thus helping to bring down the final vestiges of Tradition. Using an example from the psychoanalytical sphere, Evola tells us that "[a]mong those who are capable of a healthy discernment there has been a reaction against the coarsest forms of this pseudo-science, which correspond to pure or 'orthodox' Freudianism. The tactic of dilution was employed again; the formulation and spread of a spiritualised psychoanalysis for more refined tastes was furthered. The result was that those who react against Freud and his disciples no longer do so against Jung, without realising that what is at work here is the same inversion, though in a more dangerous form because it is subtler, and a contaminating exegesis ventures more decidedly into the domain of spirituality than in the case of Freud."

The next tactic is the "deliberate misidentification of a principle with its representatives." In other words, confusing an idea or a principle with those purporting to represent or advance it. This leads to the defilement or devaluation of the idea itself. Evola's final evaluation of subversive tactics examines the concept of "replacing infiltrations." This is when an idea or an institution has degenerated so much that it becomes unrecognisable. One thinks of the comparative emptiness of Grand Lodge Masonry when compared to its Grand Orient rival, or the Church of England's systematic take-over by the organised homosexual lobby: "These forces, while leaving the appearances unchanged, use the organisation for totally different purposes, which at times may even be the opposite of those that were originally its own."

Evola's solution to this multifarious problem involves a Traditionalist awakening during which its most devoted adherents realise the extent to which the battle is being waged on the occult plane. However, he also accepts that we do not presently have the men capable of fighting this disease."

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Yes, but we don't buy it. The Renaissance reintroduced scientific method and logical thinking, etc. The Reformation set up a system that continually shattered elite power structures including the idea that royal power came from Godhead. These were good things. It is possible that the elites set these changes in motion because they had to, but they surely didn't appreciate the results ...

DB: "The system flags posts on occasion. Sorry."

No problem. I was really wondering what was happening, though, because I could post short, general comments but not specific ones.

Sorry for all these redundant posts. You can delete them if you want.

This is also interesting

www.mandala.hr/5/baran.html

Zen Holy War?

"That chart shows a pretty much 1:1 correlation between inflation and the price of gold."

Well, that's why I posted it.

And, of course, ALL our central bank-"money" is created out of thin air.

Actually, I don't know what makes you think I suggested otherwise.

Probably a misunderstanding caused by my poor english. Sorry, John.

"Muss an dir liegen."

I don't think so. I tried at least twenty times with different versions of my post, and I could never get it to appear, even without links or any offending words. On the other hand, I could post other comments.

I finally managed to do it at 6:38 AM, but you see how I had to do it...

The really interesting paragraph is not the one you quoted by the way, it is the one dealing with the issues I mentioned in my 6:38 AM post.

But thanks for your help anyway...

"Evola also discounts the theory that the conspiracy is being waged by agents of the Judaic religion, particularly as the occult forces themselves inspired the Renaissance, Darwinism and other rationalist developments which fly directly in the face of such principles. The fact that Israeli troops can often be seen battling in the streets of Jerusalem with fanatical Zionist rabbis also demonstrates that the hidden powers cannot possibly be genuinely connected to Judaism. The Protocols also allege that Judaism is working in close allegiance with Freemasonry, although Evola only accepts that the foundation of the Grand Lodge of London in 1717 brought it into line with the grand plan of subversion. This is correct. Masons on the European mainland differ significantly from their English cousins and many associated with the Grand Orient look upon Egypt as being the traditional fount of ancient knowledge and wisdom, rather than to specifically Jewish sources. This is reflected in the absence of the Memphis-Mithraim rite from the practices of the Grand Lodge. But at the same time, however, Judaeo-Masonry has often been used as a vehicle for global subversion and Evola compares this process with the regression of the caste system. When the rot gradually sets in at the very top, it tends to infect the whole body and thus sets off a new chain of events. Furthermore, "[r]egardless of the role played by Jews and Masonry in the modern subversion, it is necessary to recognise clearly the real historical context of their influence, as well as the limit beyond which the occult war is destined to develop by employing forces that not only are no longer those of Judaism and of Masonry, but that could even totally turn against them."

@ memehunter

War kein Problem den Auszug zu posten.
Muss an dir liegen.

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Occult war - weapons of the occult war
di Troy Southgate

And now we come to one of the most interesting chapters of the book, in which Evola questions whether the various areas of human existence have been affected by higher forces. In other words, by those of the supernatural or occult dimension. The decline of the West, in particular, is said to be a direct result of the hidden forces at work. Evola explains: "The occult war is a battle that is waged imperceptibly by the forces of global subversion, with means and in circumstances ignored by current historiography. The notion of occult war belongs to a three-dimensional view of history: this view does not regard as essential the two superficial dimensions of time and space (which include causes, facts, and visible leaders) but rather emphasises the dimension of depth, or the 'subterranean' dimension in which forces and influences act in a decisive manner, and which, more often than not, cannot be reduced to what is merely human, whether at an individual or a collective level." This seems clear enough. Indeed, the current of which Evola speaks transcends the governmental domain and concerns the forces which lie far beyond the purely exoteric plane. By "subterranean," Evola is alluding to the fact that such activity takes place not within the human subconscious, but as part of a deliberate plan which has been meticulously formed by capable and intelligent agents of subversion. But this third dimension should not be seen as some kind of ridiculous or convenient fantasy designed to account for the erosion of Tradition, it is a concept which is fully steeped in reality. Catholics regard the decline of traditional values and the onset of liberalism and moral decline as part of a divinely orchestrated process, although Evola believes that such a view need not rely on abstract metaphysics or theology. He cites the Classical idea in which the forces of the cosmos are waged against the forces of chaos: "To the former corresponds everything that is form, order, law, spiritual hierarchy, and tradition in the highest sense of the word; to the latter correspond every influence that disintegrates, subverts, degrades, and promotes the predominance of the inferior over the superior, matter over spirit, quantity over quality."

According to Evola, J u d a i s m and F r e e m a s o n r y are only secondary elements in the hierarchy of the 'hidden powers', and both R e n a i s s a n c e and D a r w i n i s m were inspired and controlled by the conspiracy.

Please read the link I provided for more information.

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It is an interesting hypothesis. That is why we have chosen to call those involved with the high banking families "Pharasees." It is not the mass of Jewish laypeople or any other group, but an elite that is consciously manipulating the environment and diminishing freedom.

As far as the Renaissance and Reformation go; it is perfectly possible that the elites had a hand in them. But our paradigm reveals that the elites were reacting to the Gutenberg Press technology and trying to control an intellectual awakening. We would argue that they may have steered events but that they could NOT ultimately control them. They eventually took a "step back."

That is what may be in the process of happening today. When the avenues of control are blocked or reduced, they apparently turn to war and authoritarianism. This above all shows how stressed they maybe now, as trying to force six billion people who are gradually awakening in any one direction is a difficult if not impossible task.

Click to view link

It seems that as long as my comments about this book are fairly general and do not give specific details, I can post. But even a two-line summary with some specific details will not appear (and I spent nearly an hour trying).

Well, I hope I did enough to get some readers interested...

One last try... Apologies for the typos in my previous posts and for the numerous comments, I am truly puzzled by what is happening here...

Evola's book deals with the true nature of the conspiracy and has some fascinating insights which would be very relevant for DB and its readers.

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The system flags posts on occasion. Sorry.

Well, it is truly a pity. I had a really interesting summary and I think that DB and its readers would have been found some of Evola's ideas fascinating, but it seems that even a two-line cursory summary (the shortest I could do) will not appear here.

At least I tried... DB, if you are interested you can contact me...

Evola claims that Renaissance and Darwinism were controlled by hidden forces and that Zionism and Freemasonry are only secondary elements in the hierarchy of the hidden powers.

This book suggests that the Renaissance and Darwinism were events inspired by "the occult forces themselves" and that Zionism and Freemasonry are secondary elements within the hierarchy of the "hidden powers".

Please try to read a review of this book online, this is all I can post here, apparently.

OK, I was able to post that. Sorry that I could not give more information to DB readers. Even a three-line summary without any offending words or links would not be posted.

Censorship is active here...

Another try. This is an excerpt from a review of Julius Evola's book, "Weapons of the Occult War":

"Evola also discounts the theory that the conspiracy is being waged by agents of the Judaic religion, particularly as the occult forces themselves inspired the Renaissance, Darwinism and other rationalist developments which fly directly in the face of such principles. The fact that Israeli troops can often be seen battling in the streets of Jerusalem with fanatical Zionist rabbis also demonstrates that the hidden powers cannot possibly be genuinely connected to Judaism. The Protocols also allege that Judaism is working in close allegiance with Freemasonry, although Evola only accepts that the foundation of the Grand Lodge of London in 1717 brought it into line with the grand plan of subversion. This is correct. Masons on the European mainland differ significantly from their English cousins and many associated with the Grand Orient look upon Egypt as being the traditional fount of ancient knowledge and wisdom, rather than to specifically Jewish sources. This is reflected in the absence of the Memphis-Mithraim rite from the practices of the Grand Lodge. But at the same time, however, Judaeo-Masonry has often been used as a vehicle for global subversion and Evola compares this process with the regression of the caste system. When the rot gradually sets in at the very top, it tends to infect the whole body and thus sets off a new chain of events. Furthermore, "[r]egardless of the role played by Jews and Masonry in the modern subversion, it is necessary to recognise clearly the real historical context of their influence, as well as the limit beyond which the occult war is destined to develop by employing forces that not only are no longer those of Judaism and of Masonry, but that could even totally turn against them."

Going deeper down the rabbit hole...

In reading on the connections between Tantric Buddhism and politics, I stumbled upon the name of Julius Evola, an Italian writer with Fascist sympathies who investigated in numerous books and articles the relationship between tantric rituals and power politics.

From Wikipedia:

"Barone Giulio Cesare Andrea Evola (May 19, 1898 - June 11, 1974) also known as Julius Evola, was an Italian philosopher and esotericist. Evola regarded his stances and spiritual values as aristocratic, masculine, traditionalist, heroic and defiantly reactionary."

I found an online review of one of Evola's most important books, "Weapons of the Occult War" at www dot juliusevola dot it/documenti/template.asp?cod=353 (the link apparently won't post):

The following excerpt is truly fascinating:

"Evola also discounts the theory that the conspiracy is being waged by agents of the Judaic religion, particularly as the occult forces themselves inspired the Renaissance, Darwinism and other rationalist developments which fly directly in the face of such principles. The fact that Israeli troops can often be seen battling in the streets of Jerusalem with fanatical Zionist rabbis also demonstrates that the hidden powers cannot possibly be genuinely connected to Judaism. The Protocols also allege that Judaism is working in close allegiance with Freemasonry, although Evola only accepts that the foundation of the Grand Lodge of London in 1717 brought it into line with the grand plan of subversion. This is correct. Masons on the European mainland differ significantly from their English cousins and many associated with the Grand Orient look upon Egypt as being the traditional fount of ancient knowledge and wisdom, rather than to specifically Jewish sources. This is reflected in the absence of the Memphis-Mithraim rite from the practices of the Grand Lodge. But at the same time, however, Judaeo-Masonry has often been used as a vehicle for global subversion and Evola compares this process with the regression of the caste system. When the rot gradually sets in at the very top, it tends to infect the whole body and thus sets off a new chain of events. Furthermore, "regardless of the role played by Jews and Masonry in the modern subversion, it is necessary to recognise clearly the real historical context of their influence, as well as the limit beyond which the occult war is destined to develop by employing forces that not only are no longer those of Judaism and of Masonry, but that could even totally turn against them."

The Renaissance and Darwinism as events inspired by "the occult forces themselves"? Judaism and Freemasonry as secondary elements within the hierarchy of the "hidden powers"? The mind boggles...

This looks like a potential treasure trove for DB and its readers. Is anyone here familiar with Evola's books? I have a feeling that I will have to read "Weapons of the Occult War" for myself...

Thanks for this information. I had read that the Dalai Lama was funded by the CIA for a while and I knew about the occult connections between Nazism and Tibetan Tantric Buddhism, but this was much more detailed than I what had read before.

There is a more detailed account here:
The Shadow of the Dalai Lama - Sexuality, Magic and Politics in Tibetan Buddhism, by Victor and Victoria Trimondi

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Section 12 of Part II deals more specifically with the connections between Hitler and Tibetan Buddhism:

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Here is a thought-provoking excerpt for Daily Bell readers:

" J. Strunk's arguments (Zu Juda und Rom - Tibet, [To Juda and Rome - Tibet], 1937) are more far reaching; he tries to uncover a conspiracy of an international ecclesiastical elite (with members from all the world religions) with the living Buddha, the Dalai Lama from Lhasa as their visible head. 'What there are of organizations and new spiritual currents running alongside and in all directions nearly always end up on the 'roof of the world', in a Lama temple, once one has progressed through Jewish and Christian lodges' (Strunk, 1937, p. 28).

In the same year (1937) Fritz Wilhelmy published the piece Asekha. Der Kreuzzug der Bettelmönche [Asekha: The Crusade of the Mendicant Monks]. In it 'Tibetan Buddhism … [is] openly appointed to play a more than mysterious role in the great global hustle and bustle of suprastate pullers of strings' (Wilhelmy 1937, p.17).

General Ludendorff and his wife likewise took to the field with great vigor against the 'Asian priests' and warned that the Tibetan Lamas had emplaced themselves at the head of Jewish and Jesuit secret orders (Europa den Asiatenpriestern? [Europe of the Asian priests)], 1941)."

Anyone has read Strunk or Wilhelmy? Is there any basis to these assertions? I note that this "anti-Tibetan" current seems to come mostly from German quarters. In any case, that would seem like an interesting topic for research for people trying to understand the "spiritual guidance" of the NWO elites.

One thing seems clear to me, though: for a religious leader of a relatively small country, the Dalai Lama certainly seems to be involved in more than his "fair share" of relationships and collaborations with the Western elites, and I doubt that this is only related to attempts to destabilize or otherwise disrupt China (i.e., movements for Tibet's independence), as some have proposed.