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Sunday, November 27, 2011

Rise of the Political Plumber ... From Joe the Plumber to Plumber Wade House and His True Democracy Party

With Anthony Wile
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Wade House

The Daily Bell is pleased to present an exclusive interview with Wade D. House.

Introduction: First there was Joe the Plumber who became a down-to-earth conservative analyst of note by virtue of his blunt talk. Now there's Wade House, also a plumber, who has started his own party, the True Democracy Party. It was built, he says, on the words and actions of Dr. Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy. Its purpose is first to educate and then to present change. "Knowing is half the battle," he points out. Wade even claims his party has already attracted the attention of the powers-that-be. He writes to us (this interview was conducted via e-mail) that someone has already set up a "fake political party called the American Liberty True Democracy Party" and intends to use Occupy Wall Street websites to spread it. He also claims to have had a visit from the CIA's "Fake Free Libya movement, who told us how good the Libyans have it now and how happy they are." We cannot vouch for this story, obviously, nor are we vouching for Mr. House in any of his particulars. We disagree with many of the points of his platform; but there is a larger idea here that makes this interview, in our view, noteworthy. Assuming Mr. House is who he says he is, we think his saga represents the kind of change that the Internet is making throughout the West and even the larger world. It speaks to our often repeated perspective about the Internet Reformation and the impact that it is having, large and small. Readers shall make up their own minds. His website can be seen at truedemocracyparty.net.

Daily Bell: Thanks for speaking to us. Give us some background on the True Democracy Party. What is its purpose and platform?

Wade House: Platform: Change ... One: End the Fed, which will provide debt-free money at the national and state levels. Two: New energy program to wean the US from oil in five years. We provided manufactured goods to Russia, China and England and won a world war all within five years. And we completely rebuilt Europe and Japan within five years (Marshall Plan). Please don't believe we can't get off oil in the same amount of time, as those who control the Media will say. Three: Jobs! Jobs! Jobs! Four: A debt forgiveness plan: Bailout for Americans – "screw banks, not people!" (Nomi Prins) Five: Universal healthcare. Six: Full financial reforms. Seven: Full media access reforms. And, of course, our official platform: Everything we do revolves around these issues

Daily Bell: What is true democracy?

Wade House: Real democracy. Direct democracy. Rule by referendum. All these are related to and part of True Democracy as well as a well-informed and well-educated public. Ask yourself what would make your life better? What do you want for yourself and out of your life? These are the questions that I ask myself when determining what I want for the True Democracy Party. Safe food. Safe water. A good paying job. Healthcare. Clean cheap energy. No Global resource wars. Effective government that works for 'The People,' not for the 'rich' and 'corporations' only. This is what True Democracy means to me.

Daily Bell: Why not call it something else?

Wade House: Word wars! There are those who control the mass media. They can make something good sound bad. They can make darkness seem like light. We needed a word term that was hard to corrupt, but that still spelled out who we are and what we stand for. True Democracy were those words. The True Democracy Party is the vehicle for those words and our form of governmental beliefs.

Daily Bell: Who are you? Give us some background. Are you the founder?

Wade House: I am Wade D. House, concerned citizen. Occupation: Plumber and part-time political activist in the Washington DC/Maryland/Virginia/West Virginia/Pennsylvania area(s). I am the founder of this particular political party.

Daily Bell: How did you get involved?

Wade House: I looked around at the problems facing America today and I found that the same problems kept rolling back in: Wars, jobs, healthcare, the economy. With both the Democrats and the Republicans, no matter who was in charge things just got worse. It became easily apparent that both groups worked together, being paid by the same corporate interests. I came to the conclusion that there was really only a single political party – the Democratic-Republican-Corporate-Party of America. And if we 'truly' wanted change, we 'The People' would need our own political party. So I'm trying to start one. But first we must be educated to what is really going on in America today. That is where we are now but this phase is almost over.

Daily Bell: Do you believe in a central banking conspiracy?

Wade House: "If you allow a private bank to control the inflation and the deflation of the currency of the people of the United States, the people and the Nation will become slaves to the bankers and the corporations that grow up around them." Thomas Jefferson, I believe. Andrew Jackson's proudest accomplishment: "I Killed the bank" – his last words before he died. The central banking conspiracy I presume you refer to is in actuality a proven fact.

In 1911 or 1912 a group of the richest men in America (bankers, oil, media, and led by none other than a Rothschild himself) met at a place called Jekyll Island to "plot and conspire" as to how to get another central banking system instituted in America. And in 1913, when most senators were out of town for the holidays, the Congress rammed through the Federal Reserve System Act and the IRS Act, which were quickly signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson.

There have been at least three, and some say as many as six, previous US central banks. The Senate keeps waking up and killing them, except for the one that Andrew Jackson killed. The Federal Reserve is just the latest incarnation of this "central banking conspiracy."

Daily Bell: Why will people become involved with such a party?

Wade House: We are the only political party that speaks the real truth. And if you want real change you must know the truth. People are slowly but surely waking up to this fact. We don't speak truth to power, because we know that power knows the truth already. It's their truth. They created, maintain and push it, through media, law and the government. We speak truth to people – quite a novel concept, a political party that tells the truth. Sooner, hopefully than later, people will wake up and see en mass that both so-called political parties are totally owned and controlled by outside interests who are aligned against the American People. At this time they will look around for something else, something better than they are being offered. And hopefully they will see us standing in the corner, waving our hands and saying, "Follow Us! We have a plan and it is not all about gloom and doom!"

Daily Bell: Won't people think it is too far out?

Wade House: Yes, of course they will ... at first. But the truth has a way of sticking in your mind. I didn't know anything about the Federal Reserve until the website US Judicial Corruption mentioned, "You know, the Fed should be abolished." We didn't know that at the time. But within a very short time, not only did we know all about the scam and fraud that is The Fed (it's not federal and it has no reserves), but we knew who their boss was. By their own admission, "The Central Bank of England, is the Mother Bank of the Federal Reserve." It's not a real secret. It's just not ever mentioned or reported in the corporate controlled mass media.

I have a news flash for you. Some so-called conspiracy theories ... are true. Kennedy wasn't killed by a "Magic Bullet." Fluoride is poison. Sodium fluoride is the MAIN ingredient in rat poison. It is made from industrial waste. First used by the Nazis in concentration camps, it's scientifically proven to harm bones, teeth and lead to brain damage.

These are facts. Why is it in our water? There are movements across America to get it out of their community water supplies. This is not reported by media. Google it. Mercury is highly poisonous, yet it's put into vaccines and it was put into materials for tooth fillings. Families have won documented court cases against the government because of permanent brain damage to children caused by some of these vaccines yet we are practically forcing these vaccines on our children today. The mass media will just deny any of this is true but all you have to do is a little research yourself .

New World Order: "It's on the money"! On the back of the dollar bill, right under the Masonic sign of the unfinished pyramid with the 'all seeing eye' are the words, written in Latin, "New World Order." President Bush Senior and other world leaders have mentioned it word for word, dozens of times each in dozens of speeches. And I could go on and on ... 9/11 was an Inside Job, for example. People in general know or strongly suspect these things. We and many others help point to the truth that is already out there, almost in plain sight. When they get tired of the lies and seek the truth, who knows what could happen. We saw an African-America get elected to the Presidency of the United States. Maybe, just maybe, anything is possible.

Daily Bell: What do you think of the current Republican candidates for president?

Wade House: I don't know much about any of them except for Ron Paul. As a basic rule of thumb, I don't trust Republicans or Democrats. I like Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich, but Ron Paul is the only one who I know has specifically called for the Fed to be abolished. This is part of the battle cry for True Democracy. Anyone who doesn't call to end the Fed will not get any support from us, period. On this there are no exceptions. The Fed is the root cause of the financial situation in America today.

Daily Bell: What do you think of Barack Obama?

Wade House: I think quite possibly there has not been a braver president since Lincoln and JFK. He did something that no other president has ever done – in fact, that no other world leader has ever done at any time. He exposed the world to the wonders of the House of Rothschild. He – I would like to believe it was he – allowed a brief posting on the official White House Historical Place Facebook Page of OUR article/post, "Rothschilds Exposed."

It explores their $500 trillion dollars'-worth control of England, oil companies, Reuters and the Associated Press, ABC, CBS, NBC, US and UK governments, the CIA along with US presidential assassinations, proxy wars against the US, etc. It's also ranked in the top ten for articles on Google for exposing the Rothschilds. I couldn't think of a more dangerous or explosive article for the White House to allow to be posted online, period. We posted a special article titled "Barack The Brave" because of this most brave act for a sitting President.

Daily Bell: What do you think of Ron Paul specifically?

Wade House: Ron Paul was first pointed out to us on the Web. We like Ron Paul a lot. We've adopted a lot of his platform. We just don't like his social stance on healthcare and other social issues. We believe in helping all those who need help, period. We also believe we can easily do this once we have control of our monetary policy, "we" being the US Congress and the True Democracy Party. But we also understand why Dr. Ron Paul thinks this way about social issues. He knows a lot of the truth others never speak of. He has said, "If I tell you the whole truth about some things, you guys will never put me on-air in the media. Social issues are one of the control protocols of the New World Order. Make people poor, put them under the care of the state and you have control of the people. It's not new and it's not order, and it is actually getting pretty blatant."

Daily Bell: Is the president an independent person or is he beholden to "bosses"?

Wade House: No president has ever been Independent. They have all been controlled by the same few very powerful families and banking/corporate interests, for years. Those who 'buck the system' – Lincoln, Garfield, JFK – expire as heroes. Independency in the US Presidency gets you killed! It will take education, patience and all of us working together to throw off the yoke of servitude that has been expertly cast about our necks.

Daily Bell: That's a big job. Do you have any financial backing?

Wade House: No, not yet.

Daily Bell: The people on your management committee and others – have they been contacted yet?

Wade House: Some. No direct responses, though. Senator Bernie Sanders asked us if we would like to receive his newsletter, The Bernie Buzz! We happily agreed and post him on a regular basis. The world loves Bernie. And there's Ms. Ellen Brown, who sends us her articles on a regular basis; our banking reform efforts are based on her works. Other than that the response has been 'pretty bad' mostly. Time for Plan B. We are going to have to do this ourselves. We can't depend of anyone but US.

Daily Bell: How many people are involved at the top level now?

Wade House: At this time, counting me, one. Everyone else is even more part time than I am. They are adopting a wait and see attitude. Promised help never arrives. You know the deal.

Daily Bell: Why do you think a third party is practical?

Wade House: Before you can have a third party, you need a second party, which we don't have. The Dems and Reps are different sides of the exact same coin. Those who don't know that are still fully asleep. The statement is often made that we are "not viable." My response is always the same: "Is it viable to elect the Democrats who will do nothing but more of the same, even if they are in total control of everything, which they are not now, but were?" I don't see the viability in that. "To continue to do the same thing, the same way, and expect different results, is a sign of insanity." – Albert Einstein. It's time to try something new.

Daily Bell: What is your plan of attack? What are your goals?

Wade House: The current plan of action ends soon, which is simply educating the public to the truth all around us, and building up a name of truth, honesty and integrity, through the internet and other media through the end of the year. Let all the Republican presidential candidates beat each other up. Soon we will be starting our membership and State Charter drives. At the beginning of the year, we start the real push. This is a 'People's Party.' If 'The People' don't support it, there will be no party.

Daily Bell: Do you want to run someone for president?

Wade House: I like Sen. Bernie Sanders and Rep. Dennis Kucinich for president and vice president. I like Dr. Ron Paul a lot, too, and would love him to be there also in some major capacity. But the presidency is only icing on the cake. The real prize, the gold ring, the ring of power is the Congress. We would far rather control the Congress than the presidency. They make the laws. Without the Congress, the president can do nothing. If this Congress weren't bought and owned by outside interests, they could stop or do anything.

Daily Bell: When did America begin to go off the tracks?

Wade House: '60s ... Military-Industrial Complex, War, Vietnam, War on Crime (war against black people), War on Drugs (War against black people), War on Healthcare (in 1971 Nixon privatized the US healthcare system). All these events happening at one time set the stage for what we are seeing today. Also, there was a concerted effort to control the court system and public opinion by creating 'conservative think tanks' to "justify" what was and is going on, the CATO Institute being one that jumps to mind.

How can it get back to being the "exceptional" country it was? There are many before me/us who understood what it would take for America to regain her greatness. They bore names like Lincoln, Kennedy, King, Myers, Ogle, Pogue, Denver and others. Abraham Lincoln and JFK knew the major harm private central bank control of a nation's money/economy could cause and tried to change it. This must be a nationwide effort. We can't rely on an individual to carry this load. It must be shared, and it must be done – END THE FED!

Martin Luther King's compassion and respect for all peoples – jobs, healthcare, anti-war, etc. – guides how we deal with both nations and people. We're interested in such inventions as Stan Myers' Water Powered Hydrogen Fuel Cell and the patented Water Only Tom Ogle-Vapor Fuel System with its "Proven 1000% increase in fuel efficiency." And Charles Pogue's 200 mile per gallon engine carb. You want to mess with our nature, food, animals, the environment? Pollute our waters and the land and air? We know what John Denver did. "Don't mess with Nature. That's not good."

Daily Bell: Who shot JFK?

Wade House: I don't know who shot JFK. But every US president who tried to end the private central banking/Federal Reserve European debt-based monetary system has been assassinated. Rothschilds have ties to the Lincoln and Garfield assassinations. Kennedy's just exactly follows the previous patterns, but with unprecedented governmental involvement. Why was Nixon removed from office? Who am I, the Oracle of Delphi? He seemed to be doing a pretty hurtful job to America, their kind of man. He seemed to start the ball rolling. I haven't looked deeper into him than that.

Daily Bell: Who are the real enemies of the US?

Wade House: Prescott Bush was put on trial as a traitor and un-American for helping to fund Hitler while our boys were over there fighting and dying. Profits are profits. It doesn't matter who is killed, as long as it's not them. That's right. Bush Sr.'s daddy was an American Traitor, Granddaddy to little Bush. The acorn doesn't fall far from the tree. All very well documented and very well kept out of the mass media.

Daily Bell: Do they seek war?

Wade House: Do you seek work and employment? How about food? Do you seek food? War is their stock-in-trade. They love war more than any enterprise ever undertaken by mankind. They love war more than life itself. Some one else's life of course. They profit from both sides of war, and they have ever since the Napoleonic Wars. They funded both sides. They funded Hitler through I.G. Farben in Germany and from America.

Daily Bell: Will there be war with Iran?

Wade House: Yes. They are behind schedule, if you are to believe US Four-Star General Wesley Clark's admission. He stated that the US was 'going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt, Syria and ending with Iran.' This was in 2002, I believe.

Daily Bell: Will the price of oil shoot up?

Wade House: $300-$500 per barrel is the estimate from the PECAN Group that recently studied such a thing. The bankers own the oil companies. This is great news for Wall Street. Profiting from war is their game, and they are quite good at it. They love war like air itself.

Daily Bell: You wrote to us that the Daily Bell does not see deeply enough? Why not?

Wade House: Naomi Wolf was right in everything she said about a police state and private corporate armies. You seem to know so much about the powerful families in central banking who run the show from behind the curtains but shirk away from these same powerful families owning and controlling private armies. What do you think 50,000 armed, above-the-law, private security forces personnel are doing in Iraq? Throwing the Iraqi's a giant picnic and sitting around singing and holding hands? Or are they still gunning down Iraqi's at the drop of a hat?

That's a private army. That's on the low end. Who do you think NATO works for? Who does the British Army answer to? Who does the American military answer to? What the hell is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization doing in Africa? Sometimes we don't ask the most basic of questions. Also, we have three massive posts on police brutality, police brutally strip-searching women in front of male police, police violently attacking women, children, senior citizens and people dancing in place at the Jefferson Memorial in DC. It seems if you quietly dance in place at the Jefferson Memorial police have the right to violently attack you. It's all caught on video, another thing they are trying to make illegal.

Daily Bell: You wrote to us that you'd exposed Michael Moore as a fraud. How so?

Wade House: I'm sorry. I didn't mean to sound like I alone exposed Michael Moore as a fraud. There were about three or four million others that beat me to the punch. Google "Michael Moore is a fraud" and see for yourself. I personally did a post on Michael Moore is a fraud after I heard him say that the 'Federal Reserve is not a problem at all.' The Fed is the number one problem and Mike's not stupid. This was a blatant attempt to mislead the people by a so-called leader of dissent. But when I went online I saw that millions of others had beaten me to the punch. They have whole videos about Michael Moore's fraud. I simply embedded a couple of videos of his fraud, put up his picture, posted it, and thereby disassociated him from us. To throw kisses and hearts at the Fed, as one comment stated, is traitorous in this movement.

Daily Bell: How much are the Rothschilds worth and who is the man "in charge of the world"?

Wade House: Most people who have studied this issue – and the Rothschild's are excellent at hiding their wealth – put the amount of their worth between $500 and $800 trillion. I always use the low figure of $500 trillion. Evelyn Rothschild. Google him. The Man Who Rules The World.

Daily Bell: How was America taken over?

Wade House: The plan the Rothschilds used to take over countries comes from their own mouths; "Give me control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws." A. Rothschild.

Daily Bell: Is the Internet helping to overturn what we call "directed history"?

Wade House: I hope so with all my heart.

Daily Bell: Is the Internet like the Gutenberg Press and will it spawn a Renaissance?

Wade House: I hope so with all my heart. It is more than possible, in my opinion.

Daily Bell: Can the Internet be controlled?

Wade House: Yes, once they control the very few big search engines like Google, AOL/Time Warner (which is already fully within their control, as is Yahoo and Bing). Google is holding out as best they can. But no one can stand against a $500 trillion dollar purse for long. They can just pluck websites right off line for 'national defense' reasons. They can slow down the download speeds to make it impossible to watch videos. They can completely censor many videos for 'National Security' reasons. And they are already talking about shutting down the entire net in case of national emergency. Is there any reason you can think of to totally cut off all online communication with the rest of America and the world? I can and none of them are good.

Daily Bell: Is the Internet necessary to your strategy as a third party?

Wade House: A free and open Internet, I believe, is critical to any future democracy. You have to know what to change. We must – any true democracy must – act with a well-informed citizenry or it is just a farce. It is absolutely critical, I hate to say.

Daily Bell: Where do you go from here?

Wade House: We'll start a membership and TDP charter drive as soon as we spell out our final economic and new energy plans. They are going to be great. It will be the platform that we launch our new programs from.

Daily Bell: Any last points you want to make?

Wade House: No. Your questions were great. Thanks for hosting me and the True Democracy Party.

Daily Bell: Thanks for being so forthcoming. Good luck.

Wade House: Good luck to you also.

America is surely in a political ferment today and we hope this interview with Wade House further illustrates how individuals are seemingly taking "human action" to change their socio-economic situation via lawful tools on the 'Net. While Mr. House's party may or may not set the world afire, his contribution (if it is what it seems) only furthers our perception that what we call the Internet Reformation is alive and well and continuing to progress.

Some may argue (as we have) that many of the signs of ferment in the West and in America are "controlled" and this may be true. There is evidence of control in numerous facilities and "new-thinking" organizations. And this has a long history as well. Directed historians tend to suspect that both Martin Luther and John Calvin were funded by elites of the day to create a schism within the Roman Catholic Church.

But just because movements and leaders are "controlled" doesn't mean that control is ineluctable; things do "spin out" of control. And that is what we expect will happen over time with the events that the current generation of elites have set in motion.

Thomas Jefferson was not a made-up person. Nor was the New World. Nor even was the Revolution (though the factors behind the US revolution are considerably more complex than they've been made out to be). The Shakers, Quakers and many other groups that populated the New World were by no means run out of the City of London so far as we can tell. Social movements, once they get started, are not in our view easy to control. Blowback is not a made-up concept.

We tend to shy away from in-depth analysis of elite motivations and mechanisms; we don't think anybody can establish with any certainty the ins-and-outs of elite history going back hundreds (or thousands) of years with any detailed veracity. But that is NOT to say that we can't come to some GENERAL conclusions. And we do here at the Daily Bell, every day.

We prefer to analyze the OUTPUT (results) of what's going on via the elite's dominant social themes and also via memes we notice that are operating in contrast to elite themes. We continue to think that it is impossible to control societies without full-spectrum media dominance and this is something the elites have lost for the moment, and perhaps for years or decades to come.

In the meantime, we anticipate more such efforts as Mr. House's, of greater or lesser quality and funding. We ourselves have given a good deal of play to Nelson Hultberg's new political party, for instance. We admire Mr. Hultberg's scholarly approach as well as his deep conviction. Let a hundred flowers bloom. Or a thousand. Or a million. You can see an interview with Mr. Hultberg here: Nelson Hultberg on the Debut of SPOiLER, His New Political Party and How Ron Paul Could Win the Presidency.




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  Posted by Wade777 on 11/27/11 08:05 PM

I hear it said over and over again.
"We already live in a socialist society. It's just socialism for Corporations."

All positive expansion of the United States or any country for that matter, has taken place under a debt-free money system,that was later taken over by a Gold type coin standard.

From Greece to Rome to Britain to America. Debt-Free Monetary Systems promote growth of a society. It's an historic fact.

Rome became great before her gold standard. In fact I believe the word Salary/payment came from the word 'Salt' that was what the Roman soldiers use to be paid with.

Not gold or silver, just plain old 'salt'.

It could be said that Rome at her height, stood on the shoulders of 'salt'.

But those who control the gold, don't want you to know that, not only do you not need them, you would be much better off without them.

These words come from none other than Republican Peter Schiff, a Banker.

  Posted by laceja on 11/27/11 07:51 PM

Well, you can have a gold account, online, now. You can buy, sell, and convert your gold holding online. So, there should be no difficulty settling accounts, internationally, based on a worldwide gold standard. It maybe, the Anglosphere banking elite have outsmarted themselves in heading toward a single one world currency. Once there, it should not be a huge leap to change that from a fiat currency to a gold backed currency, or even gold itself.

  Posted by Wade777 on 11/27/11 07:42 PM

Do you really think I'm out here looking for fame? 15 minutes or otherwise?

People are dying by the hundreds and thousands in wars on drugs and terrorism. This doesn't include the starving all over the world, caused by manipulation of world food prices.

Or the Economic disasters all over the world and the suffering they cause, including here in America... and you say I am looking for fame.

The only reason I responded is so I could out line some real issue's, like the destruction of our world environment for one.

Pick a subject, the floor is yours.

Reply from The Daily Bell

Will be surprised if he answers your gracious response.

  Posted by Wade777 on 11/27/11 07:35 PM

It doesn't matter who you are, can't we have a decent conversation?

Can't we all just get along :)

What are the issue's that are more important than who runs the world.

He who controls the economy of your country, controls you.

If you don't understand this one basic fact, you are still asleep or you are a troll.

In either case I am here and I don't need to curse you to get the point across.

It's not rocket science

Reply from The Daily Bell

Well said.

  Posted by Wade777 on 11/27/11 07:28 PM

What are the issue's that are more important than who runs the world.
He who controls the economy of your country, controls you.

If you don't understand this one basic fact, you are still asleep or you are a troll.

In either case I am here and I don't need to curse you to get the point across.

It's not rocket science.

  Posted by Wade777 on 11/27/11 07:22 PM

I've recently stated that the Rothschild's were worth about $500 Trillion, though some stated it was closer to $800 Trillion.

We just got a list of all the Banks the Rothschild's own world wide, and put it up on our site.

Absolutely stunning!
I couldn't locate a single bank in the world, that they did not own.
The banks of Israel, the U.S., China, Russia, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, U.A.E., England, E.U., etc...

This is just a small partial list. The rest can be seen at:
Click to view link

'Give me control over a nations currency, and I care not who makes its laws' - Baron M.A. Rothschild

If you understand that banks control governments and their military, and they control all the banks, maybe you can start to awaken to the situation.

It's nice to know the scope of the problem, if you even think about trying to do something about it.

Let's see, they own the banks in China, Israel, Russia, Iran, the U.S., Venezuela,... .

Get the picture? We are all just pieces on a Game Board.

The "One World Government" isn't coming, "It's already here!"

It's probably been in place for the past 50 to 100 years, if not more :)

This is what is called a 'Cosmic Joke', the joke is on such a grand scale :)

And the "Jokes On US" :(

Okay. Let's have a laugh and then decide what can be done.

Nothing changes. We must start by Ending The Fed, and a few other agencies that have been completely infiltrated: FEMA, IRS, Homeland Security, NATO, the U.N., W.T.O., C.F.R., W.H.O., just to name a few.

Okay I know it won't be easy.

"A journey of a thousand miles, begins with one step"

  Posted by nervo on 11/27/11 07:10 PM

Lemme get this right: :Joe The Plumber... ... "became a ""down-to-earth conservative analyst"" (horses*** this rich requires double and triple quote marks) """of note""" by virtue of """"his blunt talk""""... ... ."

I'm a LIBERAL - and I won't tolerate drooling stupidity, or asinine clowns - or ludicrous hypocrites - grabbing 15 minutes and, like The Kardashians, filling the air with narcissistic, diarrhea. Michelle Bachmann, Rick Perry, Her-man Cain, Neut GingRICH, Sarah Palin, the crew at FOX News, Limbaugh & Hannity - jeez, is there an end to the list?

John Edwards and Anthony Weiner are deservedly gone.

For The D.B. to credit this lame-brained idiot, this semi-literate, uninformed, shameless A**hole as an "analyst", makes a joke of your website and fills the air with yet more pointless B***sh**. There are serious things to be discussed - and serious and sincere sources to include in the discussion.

Stop wasting precious time and web space with the fools and clowns listed above. We're in deep trouble - economically, environmentally, politically, socially - quit wasting your forum with this kind of mindless horsecrap.

Reply from The Daily Bell

There is no need to insult people. We are impressed by some of what Mr. House is trying to do ... and he is certainly taking "human action." Good for him. Sorry you don't see that.

  Posted by Wade777 on 11/27/11 06:39 PM

It's time for a new song.

The songs of Gloom and Doom are what will separate those who are real about change and those who are about more of the same.

Gloom and Doom is the song of those who want you to feel powerless.
We reject that song, and I'm here to try and convince you to do the same.

Reply from The Daily Bell

Good point.

  Posted by Wade777 on 11/27/11 06:32 PM

Hi to all. Wade777

"Just a voice crying in the wilderness"

"The Secret Of Oz", is a video available free to watch on YouTube.

It is a total history of money.

One of the things we aren't told about history, is that there was a fairly recent period of time when there were about 750 years of piece and expansion for the British Empire.

It was all based upon a Debt-Free monetary system called the Tally System.
It was a non-gold based system.

From this system we get words like "Stock" Market, and what was the "Tally".

It was based entirely on "wood" sticks called Tally Sticks, with notches matching certain denominations.

The 'Original' wood piece was checked/verified against the 'Stock' it came from.

This system is totally ridiculed today by bankers and the mass media as not being able to work, yet it worked fine for 750 years, until the Bank of England was taken over and put on a Gold Standard, by those who controlled the Gold.

This is why I believe, the answer is not as hard as some think.

But we must start with "Ending The Fed"

As to our Politician's ruining the Dollar, that is already happening now, by design.

And you are not going to stop it by leaving it in the hands of those who are bringing it down on purpose.

Can they make it worse?

NO! They are already printing whatever amount of money the Fed wants now and then they are just Giving It Away to foreign interests.

At least if they were printing it and spending it on the economy fixing things, we would be in a 100% better shape.

Andrew Jackson who 'Killed The Bank' was the only President in American History to pay off the National Debt... .With Debt Free Money.

Our goal would be the same. Why say something that has been done before, can't be done now.

Anything we can dream, we can do.

But most people start by saying something that hasn't been done before, can't be done. Not the opposite.

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  Posted by dave jr on 11/27/11 04:37 PM

I forgot the point I was getting to.

Once we say it is OK, that government can print what it needs, debt free, then it is all over. The dollar will begin moving toward zero value. To prevent this, government will have to implement wage and price controls. Business will not be able to earn profits under these controls, so they will fold. Government will have to take over business to keep some sort of economy running, and workers will have no incentive to produce more than a minimum, or they will quit. Then forced labor.

Somewhere along this line, there will be revolution in the streets. Until then, government will take it as far as need be, out of desperation and sure they are doing the right thing. If only we were enlightened enough to see their utopia. Right here in the USofA.

We can not allow centralized anything, especially government to control natural market functions.

  Posted by dave jr on 11/27/11 04:13 PM

I will eat my shorts if there is actually a social security trust fund. I'm betting that money was spent in the fiscal year it was collected. As the demographics of the US changes, the national debt is going exponential. The system is broken. To appear solvent, it is becoming necessary to monetize the debt directly through faux pretenses like TARP and the QEs, but it is stirring up a bit of dust. The Fed is passing untold trillions under the table to foreign entities, probably to buy treasuries. We can't know, supposedly for national security. Who knows, maybe even the failed loans to the green economy is finding its way back to the treasury.

One thing is for sure, government can not pay back or even pay down the debt, and it is currently going for broke before everyone catches on. It will end up in pieces.

What are we going to do with the pieces? I'm sure there will be many offers to help from the global "community".

  Posted by Harry_Schwartz67 on 11/27/11 03:30 PM

Ownership of the Federal Debt

[Federal Debt Table, 1940-2000]

Total Federal Debt $4.9 Trillion, September 1995


* The federal government owns part of the debt itself, either in trust funds or by the Federal Reserve. Medicare and Social Security are financed through trust funds, receiving funding directly from payroll taxes designed to support them. When these trust funds run a surplus, the federal government is required to invest the money in federal securities, this insuring that the federal government will own much of the debt itself. The debt held by the Federal Reserve is in the form of a large number of Treasury Securities. The Fed buys and sells its securities in order to increase or decrease the amount of money in circulation so as to affect the prevailing interest rate.
** This includes savings and loans, credit unions, non-profits, mutual savings banks, corporate pension funds, and dealers and brokers

[source: Treasury Bulletin of September 1995, put out by the Treasury Department]

  Posted by taxesbyanyothername on 11/27/11 03:23 PM

Doesn't everything we advocates of free markets say, add up to a different way of saying that?

It is really necessary for government to NOT supervise them.

  Posted by EdwardUlyssesCate on 11/27/11 03:14 PM

Daily Bell: That's a big job. Do you have any financial backing?

Wade House: No, not yet.

Therein lies the real problem: From what resource(s) does one receive "financial backing?" Just as soon as financial interests get embedded within a "party", sociopathic control reigns once again.

That's why I proposed to have a lottery of concerned citizens in each congressional district, to be voted upon by constituents, and serve ONE year; never to serve that office again. No campaigning. A booklet with biographies (actions match words) is generated for each election.

Folks argue that we must have "professional politicians." Fine; senators, president and vice-president could still represent the financial sociopaths.

The REAL House of Representatives would finally consist of a majority of non-sociopaths. We'd be actually represented at the table, rather than continue to be on the menu. Because this has NOT happened, history just continues to repeat itself. Same circus, different clowns.

  Posted by speedygonzales on 11/27/11 03:02 PM

Covert Political Destablisation in Britain

Britain's "Stay Behind" unit was modified after the war, for a "secondary use." This was to combat "the takeover of civil government by militant leftwing groups." The network was operated by Britain's intelligence services and selected members of the armed forces. Rumours persist that Harold Wilson's Labour government was the target of a Gladio type campaign not dissimilar to that of Italy. Wilson's surprise resignation has been credited to a dirty tricks campaign operated by British intelligence at the behest of the U.S. Known as operation "Clockwork Orange" Army psyops personnel began "fabricating" evidence that showed that senior members of the Wilson Cabinet, including the Prime Minister himself, were Soviet dupes. Waiting in the wings were senior military and other rightwing figures alleged to be planning a military style "Coup D'Etat" in the event that the Labour government won the forthcoming election.

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  Posted by speedygonzales on 11/27/11 02:52 PM

But just because movements and leaders are "controlled" doesn't mean that control is ineluctable; things do "spin out" of control. And that is what we expect will happen over time with the events that the current generation of elites have set in motion.

There were uprisings for thousands of years. Spartacus was answer on Gracchi bros who chnaged ancient world for good. Jan Hus and Husiite stood 5 consecutive crusades and Vatican finaly gave up. There was counter revolution of peaseants in 1848 dependent on knowledge from French revolution. USA founded helped bolshevix to power and then militarily when US military operated from Siberia. Michael Collins ended 700 brutal rulling by The City of London Corporation. Gandhi did similar thing. Afghanistan tought gr8 lesson Britain, and USA. Soviet Union was invited by legal government. Iraq and Afghanistan were planed for few months and then make comedy on Broadway and corporate West could bite their bloodsuckin' teeth to countries. Defeated. Trilions spend and defeated by AK-47.

Never give up. If we can not change system try to change people.

Fahrenheit 451: The temperature at which book paper catches fire and burns.

They're back.

But then, they've never gone away. The Book Killers have always been with us. Before recorded history they were with us, murdering the scholars and storytellers and mystics of every tribe they ever conquered.

They were there when Great Library burned in Alexandria 2,000 years ago. They destroyed the library known as the House of Wisdom when the Mongol Empire invaded Baghdad in 1258. They say the invaders took the books from every ruined library in Baghdad and piled them into the Tigris River, to serve as a bridge for their soldiers and chariots.

They say the river ran black with ink for years.

In 2003 the United States invaded Iraq with an indifference, incompetence, and arrogance that led to anarchy in the streets. There was widespread rioting, vandalism, and looting of priceless ancient antiquities and manuscripts. The National Library burned, and the flames lit the skies for miles around.

Seven centuries later, the great library of Baghdad died again.

Always before it had been like snuffing a candle. The police went first and adhesive-taped the victim's mouth and bandaged him off into their glittering beetle cars, so when you arrived you found an empty house. You weren't hurting anyone, you were hurting only things!

- Fahrenheit 451

Now the book assassins have come to Wall Street. They removed the people and property from Zuccotti Park, destroying or damaging thousands of books in the process. Occupiers and Supporters brought the surviving books to a press conference this week. They were "torn, wrinkled, coverless and even mangled," as Gianna Palmer reported for McClatchy. "Among the books visible on the table were a leather-bound copy of the Bible, a collection of Chinese mythology and a volume of selected poems by Allen Ginsberg."
"It was a pleasure to burn. It was a special pleasure to see things eaten, to see things blackened and changed."

Have you seen the video clips of the Mayor announcing his crackdown? It's the look of a man who was, as Southern aristocrats used to say, "taking his pleasure with his social inferiors." But some pleasures extract a high price on the soul.

In the end it doesn't matter whether the destruction of Zuccotti Park's library was "deliberate," or just the byproduct of a vandal's disrespect for the written word. Either way it showed us the values of the Bloomberg Administration. We've seen those values for 2,000 years.

Books were destroyed in Alexandria? Too bad, but we needed to burn the waterfront. Books were destroyed in Baghdad? Too bad, but we needed a bridge. They're all the same, these Book Killers. When it comes to the written word, their indifference and contempt reveals their brutality and hatred.

Destroying books is the instinctive act of tyrants and their servants. Subconsciously or consciously, they're driven by a desire to crush the minds of others, the awareness of others, the memory of others. Most of all, they're driven by a desire to destroy their own awareness and memory, because deep inside themselves they know what they're doing is wrong.

The Book Killers. Every time they destroy a book, they destroy a piece of themselves. They can ruin the physical objects, but they can't ruin the spirit that creates them, reads them, and shares them.
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  Posted by dave jr on 11/27/11 02:41 PM

"Ha, doesn't bear repeating?"

Sorry. I'm too defensive.

To continue. I have no doubt a dominant, favorite system would emerge from the market in a short amount of time. Maybe there would be a period of chaos, but the good thing is; for many, they will be forced to think about the real nature of money (currency, if Ingo is reading) for the first time in their lives.

  Posted by Danny B on 11/27/11 02:36 PM

Bummer, now I've commented on a post that you deleted.

  Posted by Danny B on 11/27/11 02:32 PM

Harry_Schwartz67 is a tough act to follow. He illustrates the difference between racism that is benign and racism that is not benign.
By definition, all the people who live in "Chinatown" must be racist. They prefer to live among their own race.
Harry takes it all a step farther. No need to explain.

Wade House is working on the same lines as Dick Eastman and his running mate, Lund.
While his campaign may not appear viable, at least he is trying to wake people up.

  Posted by dave jr on 11/27/11 02:26 PM

DB: "How about letting the market itself take care of those "clearing houses." Is it REALLY necessary for the government to supervise them?"

I thought that is what I said.

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Ha, doesn't bear repeating?

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