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China and the West: One and the Same?
Wen Jiabao is the Premier of China. This is an edited version of his speech to the Royal Society in London yesterday, after receiving the King Charles II Medal. ... China is building a better future for all ...The world will gain from the country's growing prosperity and openness, says Wen Jiabao. Since the process of reform and opening-up began in China, people outside the country have seen the development and changes there in different ways. There is also an intense interest in our visit to London, I wish to take the opportunity to address this subject. Tomorrow's China will be an economically advanced country, with its people enjoying prosperity. Indeed, to pursue economic development and improve people's lives has always been the top government. We will stick to scientific development, work hard to shift the model of economic development, and achieve green, low-carbon and sustainable growth. – UK Telegraph
Dominant Social Theme: China, a democratic leader among the countries of the world, shall march into a glorious future shoulder-to-shoulder with the West.
Free-Market Analysis: Wen Jiabao came to Britain and Europe recently and he has been making news with his comments and actions. Chinese procurers just purchased 600 Saab autos and allowed that company to make its payroll. He announced that China's government bankers would continue to buy the bonds of various bankrupt European countries; the headlines blared that China was saving Greece.
From Jiabao's actions, we begin again to have some of our questions about China answered. For us, the issue is always whether China has been co-opted by Western elites, or whether its leaders and the inevitable powerful people and groups BEHIND the leaders are essentially independent of Western power structures.
We've written several articles speculating that China's elites are participative in the upcoming "new world order" and this speech of Jiabao's (excerpted above) does nothing to dissuade us. He made the speech after being awarded the Royal Society King Charles II Medal, which is bestowed on foreign Heads of State or Government who have made an outstanding contribution to furthering scientific research in their country.
We're not sure why he was awarded a scientific medal (given that there are many others who could potentially have received it) nor are we quite sure how his speech reflected the medal's scientific orientation, nonetheless, its content was interesting because it was directly centered around modern, Western, sociopolitical thought.
It is in fact startling. Gone are the days when there was a great philosophical divide between East and West, or between the West's so-called democracies and "communism." Jiabao's speech could have been given by any functionary of the (hopefully tottering) European Union. Or even have been delivered by someone from the US State Department.
It tends to confirm once more the idea that the powers-that-be are working hard to smooth out differences between major powers. The rhetoric, philosophical overtones and ambitions are statist, but couched in the rhetoric of the marketplace. The idea is that the state sets parameters for capitalism, which then functions within that defined space.
It is a kind of soft fascism, though one is never supposed to use the word "fascism." Additionally, in practice, it is not necessarily soft at all. The state is actually in charge of almost every facet of life and corporations, also artificial, statist entities, are merely the receptacles of state power and deliver it to "consumers."
Increasingly, in terms of rhetoric anyway, China is closing the gap between East and West, even as the West is too. One can surely observe, as we did yesterday in our article "Greatest Criminals Ever Seen?" that in the 20th century, communism and capitalism were implemented deliberately to create the Hegelian thesis and antithesis that would eventually lead to a synthesis.
We seem to be living through the synthesis. On the surface anyway, the differences between China, Europe and America are diminishing considerable. On paper, Jiabao is one of the most powerful man in China, and his speech reflects a view of China that is from our point of view distinctly European.
His vision of a "green, low-carbon, sustainable growth economy" is especially noteworthy. This is simply not an Eastern concept. The Green economy was likely developed like so much else of the elite's dominant social themes in the Tavistock Institute. It is an all-encompassing promotion that gives Anglosphere elites the ability to regulate every face of human life.
In a green economy, monitored by "Smart Grids," each part of a person's existence will be diagrammed. The state, via its great energy companies, will know every part its "citizens'" activities and will be easily able to modify them. The whole idea behind the phony demonizing of carbon dioxide – as important a gas as oxygen – is to monetize a building block of life. This is what the Western power elite conspiracy has sought to do in the past 100 years.
Oil (energy) has been increasingly monetized and controlled along with food and water. The fourth building block of life is oxygen/carbon dioxide, and it is no coincidence that this, too, has now come under attack. The idea is to make each of these necessities scarce. The ultimate goal is CONTROL. If one can control the essentials of life, then the monetizing and securitizing of these essential fundamentals of living is not difficult.
Jiabao doesn't put this program in those terms but his rhetoric is right in line with what is occurring. Even at the beginning of his speech, he is signaling that China's goals are aligned with those of Western elites. "We will expand domestic demand, particularly consumer demand, fully tap into the potential for consumption by the urban and rural population, and make consumption the fundamental driver," he says in the transcript provided by the Telegraph.
"The key to this prosperity and sustainable development is science and technology," he adds "... The world is seeing the advent of a new revolution in science and technology and a new Industrial Revolution ... The revolution in science and technology will thus bring about a fundamental change in the development of human society in the 21st century ..." Here are some additional noteworthy excerpts in our view:
Tomorrow's China will be a country that fully achieves democracy, the rule of law, fairness and justice. In the course of human history, struggles against feudal autocracy gave birth to the concepts rule of law, freedom, equality and human rights. ...
Tomorrow's China will be a more open, inclusive, culturally advanced and harmonious country. We should continue to open up not only in the economic, scientific and technological fields, but learning from others in promoting cultural progress and social management. ...
Tomorrow's China will be a country committed to peaceful development and ready to shoulder its responsibilities. To the rest of the world, China's peaceful development is an opportunity, rather has become an engine driving global economic growth, having contributed more than 20 per cent of world economic growth in each of the past five years ...
The 21st century should be a century of co-operation, rather than conflict and rivalry. China is committed to upholding world peace. To build socialism with distinctive Chinese features has been the solemn choice made by the country's 1.3 billion people.
Reform and opening-up will be carried out throughout the entire process. To stall or reverse course is not an option. We must move on with confidence. Only by doing so can China turn itself into a prosperous, democratic, culturally advanced, harmonious socialist country, and can the Chinese people enjoy a happy, dignified life in a more extensive way and at a higher level.
Jiabao's speech is right in line with the rest of the new and enlightened world order that elites are increasingly organizing for the citizens of the West. It indicates to us that there is not much difference at this point between Western ideas of sociopolitical and economic development and China's.
We find it surprising, in fact, that Jiabao's speech has already been criticized as not representing the reality of China. Posts have appeared on the Internet explaining the speech was merely an attempt to set up aspirational parameters for other Chinese leaders who believe in more brutal and old-fashioned ways of running the country.
This interpretation does not ring true to us. Jiabao's speech seems to enunciate where China is headed, or where it ought to head. He put into his own words the methodologies Western elites have used with good effect. Each element of social control is to be elaborately justified as a necessary positive for fairness and civic comity, even as it provides another bar in the increasingly formidable prison of Western regulatory democracy.
China and the West both operate central banks; both are heavily regulated societies; China increasingly encourages consumerism and is building a massively urbanized environment in which it citizens will live and work. None of this has much to do with freedom. Decentralized republics, like Switzerland, tend to have different qualities. When power flows up from the citizenry, one may find a certain level of rural agrarianism. Towns are many; large cities are fewer. Bigness is not valued over uniqueness.
If we listen to Jiabao, we hear that China intends to build the kind of society that Western power elites prefer. They are centralized, controlled, authoritarian, often urban environments masquerading as something else. Even the building blocks of life are to be regulated and rationed. The delivery mechanism of choice is the large corporation, operating under the watchful eye of the state.
For free market thinkers, such systems are impractical and impossible to maintain. They can only be sustained by massive price fixing, and over time price-fixing entirely degrades the economy by degrading the pricing mechanism itself. This is already happening in China; what has been built up in the past 40 or so years seems increasingly on the verge of breaking down. The country's seemingly out-of-control price inflation is doubtless behind much of the increasing civil unrest.
Perhaps reversing course "is not an option;" but the systems the ChiComs have created will suffer from the same problems the West is currently experiencing, and in fact we have argued they already are.
Conclusion: Western regulatory democracy inevitably embraces its own destruction. When the difficulties inherent to the system erode what is left of the current Chinese civil consensus, we expect there may be dramatic results. Jiabao obviously hopes his vision of China will win out. Free-market thinking tells us otherwise.
Posted by 4irw4y on 07/01/11 12:04 PM
Dominant Social Theme: China, a democratic leader among the countries of the world, shall march into a glorious door frame of the future shoulder-to-shoulder with the West. Others can build a queue and choose anyone from anywhere to run the traffic. We're somehow touching the Logic, Reasoning and Information Sci, aren't we?
Posted by amanfromMars on 06/30/11 04:53 AM
Thanks for that, glenn. It is excellent news, is it not?
"The Chinese still have the problem of trying to determine who the real experts in the Scientific Methodology of Peirce are in America." ...... They may have to conclude, as crazy as it seems, that there are no real experts in the Scientific Methodology of Peirce in America, and the situation there, in America, is much like that in China in the field.
Would that then spotlight Mother Russia as a dear leader and great reader of the human condition?
Posted by glenn on 06/29/11 09:13 PM
06 28 2011 Wen
The current Chinese leaders appear eager to learn more about the Scientific Philosophy of America as opposed to European Scientific Philosophy. The Royal Society was founded in 1660 by men whose scientific philosophy was closer to the Chinese than modern Western Philosophy and is the source of American science. Benjamin Franklin became a member in 1732 and it is probably safe to say that Franklin founded American Science. Franklin's great grandson Alexander Bache was the head of the U. S. Coast Survey during the mid 19th century. It was Bache and Benjamin Peirce, Jr that founded the National Academy of Science (they worked with Abraham Lincoln). Bache and Benjamin Peirce were members of the Royal Society.
Benjamin Peirce's son Charles Sanders Peirce became a member of the National Academy of Science. Charles Sanders Peirce became internationally renown as the foremost expert in Logic and Reasoning and for developing an advanced Scientific Methodology that addressed Information Science. Charles Sanders Peirce is known among the Chinese Logicians.
Under Putin the Russians have adopted Peirce's Scientific Methodology and as a result they are the World's leaders in logic based Reflexive Processes and Control.
The Chinese need only to learn Peirce's Scientific Methodology to match or surpass the Russians in Information Science and Knowledge Information Processing Systems science knowledge.
As a whole the United States and Europe are still far behind the Russians and Chinese in applying Peirce's methods and knowledge.
The Chinese still have the problem of trying to determine who the real experts in the Scientific Methodology of Peirce are in America.
The Russian can tell them if they ask.
Posted by amanfromMars on 06/29/11 01:23 PM
"The answers resonate and emanate from the bottom and what is not resolved collects at the top."
Hi, Dave Jr,
In an intellectually challenged Power Elite system, would answers resonate and emanate from the top and what is not resolved collects at the bottom. Is that not a valid description of the Present Global Position re practically everything?
Posted by William3 on 06/29/11 12:34 PM
It is easy to read into Wen's speech that he is essentially reciting words crafted by elite writers. More and more it appears the global powers are merging into a consensus that we need a NWO.
But it's also possible that China's leaders are truly fighting for their political lives. Wen may be merely preaching to the choir to appease the West, recognizing that China cannot operate in a vacuum and is truly dependent on the West to help sustain its growth goals and keep people employed. Working in harmony with the West is just good business, so to speak.
Conclusions drawn from meme watching are rarely certain.
Posted by free on 06/28/11 07:54 PM
It is clear who runs the world as they have for 500 years and will continue to do so. Civil unrest will call for more liberties taken away, its part of it, an important part.
If you look on iTunes top fiction book George Orwells two great works are their and this would be young audience buying them, and thats encouraging, there is a big fight coming inside and outside of the USA.
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THE DB IS IMPORTANT.
Posted by David_Robertson on 06/28/11 05:52 PM
Does anyone have information on China's involvement with the so-called Global Settlements that President Obama has reportedly recently signed and that will be used to create a new world monetary system based on gold and silver? They are apparently linked to the much rumoured revaluation of the Iraqi dinar and China is to be a major source of the gold and silver.
I find the entire notion unbelievable but it would certainly achieve the purpose of destroying the current monetary system and its adherents completely while replacing it concurrently with a new system. Could this be the Black Swan?
Posted by David_Robertson on 06/28/11 05:42 PM
@DB "If the City of London hadn't wanted what was has become the EU we seriously doubt it would have evolved..."
I agree that the international cartels were all involved in this venture. The book rather focuses on Germany and the Nazis because there is a high awareness of that history in the UK and Europe and their intention is to discredit the EU's provenance. However if one reads the book carefully there is a great deal of new information (at least to me) and the fingerprints of the global elites are very visible. It adds another dimension to the history of National Socialism and the way in which they were supported by these cartels who used them to further their own agenda. This dovetails with the idea that Hitler was a stooge used for the purpose of provoking WWII.
It is also interesting that IG Farben built and operated Auschwitz using the slave labour from that camp to run their factories there. Their complicity in the deaths of millions has never been fully acknowledged in my opinion and those executives who were punished were released early and went back into their corporate positions without a blemish on their records.
Posted by tawny on 06/28/11 05:36 PM
What I have read is that if people are given a fair wage and standard of living, their education level automatically rises, and they learn about birth control and limit their family size. That is what happened in the USA and most of the European/Scandinavian countries.
So the big troubling over-population problem is really due to the elites installing puppet governments in 3rd World countries and paying off the head honchos of these puppet govts and in exchange getting the go-ahead to rape the country of its resources and the people of the fair value of their labor.
So if only we could get rid of these parasitic and manipulative elites, and their parasitic and manipulative central banks and fiat currencies, the 'over-population problem' would solve itself.
Related topic someone sent me an e/m about possible military coup in Greece, and my comment was that I have been dismayed to see a lot of these European rioters and demonstrators agitating for more socialist programs, and that is very discouraging. If people don't understand economics, they don't know what to be for and what to be against. And I doubt that the military top brass are going to educate them.
Posted by fabien_hug on 06/28/11 05:01 PM
What they say... Of course they are not going to say that they want all the oil and arable land on the planet because this century shall be theirs. However, at one point, sooner than later, we'll have to face the facts; there is not enough for everybody and for all those to come. We are 7 billions and counting. Either adjustments will have to be made from the have to the have not or we'll have to fight. My impression is that adjustments are being made in the Western world but in a sneaky way. You're still promised full employment, unlimited consumption and praised for your spending prowess whilst, on the other end, everything is done through rules and regulations to make it more difficult. Intuitively, I think that the smallest common denominator in living standard that would make a new world order a reality is so low that it will never happen and we'll fight.
Posted by David_Robertson on 06/28/11 04:57 PM
As noted elsewhere yes of course "regulatory democracy" is fascism which has been the goal since the beginning of time.
The EU is a wonderful example being the implementation of the plan for the Greater German Reich created by Walter Hallstein the German law professor in 1939 and used by the cartels to set up the EU (in its original incarnations as the ECM and EEC) with Hallstein as its first president of the Commission. Click to view link
I loved the language in this speech by Wen Jiabao. It is so soporific. blah blah blah zzzzzz...
Reply from The Daily Bell
Good points. But we have stated in the past that we think the German Reich narrative as regards the EU is a kind of distraction. If the City of London hadn't wanted what was has become the EU we seriously doubt it would have evolved...
Posted by Dave Jr on 06/28/11 03:38 PM
That is right up my ally, Thanks!
Posted by Dave Jr on 06/28/11 03:34 PM
I think the Chinese Government is expecting that America will become a yard sale and that they will be first in line for the pick'ens. I am pretty crazy though.
Posted by Iapetus on 06/28/11 03:33 PM
Mixed economies, as they are currently being called in college text books are what I have been repeated saying are actually "Fascist Oligarchies" using various methods of acquiring rents from land and commerce and redistributing those rents to the few in power and their cronies in crime. They must spend a large amount on police power to not only acquire rents from dissenters and those bankrupted but to protect themselves from their own Citizens. Almost all countries that I'm aware of today fall under this category and therefore to lesser or greater degrees, with the range seemingly growing narrower, the Bell is correct in my opinion, as usual in their articulation of this meme. Ain't much difference between them anymore and all are promoting peace and prosperity. As we can see however worldwide, it's just a big lie at the expense of the majority. As the police power expands, the rebellion does also, until one day the people no longer can or want to fund the government and/or civil rest occurs. This pretty much provides the cause of the rise and fall of every society in history; the bell curve, that we are also shown in our text books, but provide some B...S... for its real cause.
Posted by tawny on 06/28/11 03:30 PM
@Dave re Alan Watt
From what I have read and heard from him, he has good information.
Remember: Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall blow your tiny minds... to paraphrase.
Of course, paraphrasing again,everyone's a spook but me and Thee, and sometimes I wonder about Thee... So you nevah nevah know...in Smiley's World. Well, hardly ever.
Another whose information I trust is Leuren Moret. You can look her up on You Tube or see/hear some of her interviews with Alfred Lautremont Webre on his Exopolitics website. She has a lot to say about the Rot-Schilds, London bankers, the thrust for global empire, Dope,Inc., and exotic weaponry & directed energy weapons, esp. HAARP. I think she is very smart and also courageous.
Posted by Prax on 06/28/11 03:27 PM
"China and the West: One and the Same?"
Yes, the simple answer is 'yes'. Its obvious by this tone that due to the economics of the United States and the selling off of assets (much like Greece)that China has become the new 'landlord' of the West. So an easy amalgamation is possible.
For those following the DB there's little doubt that the new leaders of this planet are making silent or not so silent partnerships at the expense of the United States. So this article makes sense on a high level.
Posted by Dave Jr on 06/28/11 02:58 PM
Wow, thanks. Has anyone here read material fron Alan Watt? /Click to view link
I'm not sure what to make of him. Is he a mad man?
Posted by Achim Palm on 06/28/11 02:34 PM
For Heaven's Sake, Mr. America! Give the Chinese People a chance.
Look at the riots and problems you have in the USA.
You think you have no violence? You still have the death penalty and
you want to talk about what a Civil Society looks like?
Please be a bit more modest and leave some room for self-critism.
The world knows what is going on in your country.
If you cannot negotiate, you go to war and get it by force.
The Chinese don't send their troops around the word to make wars.
I think it is time you wake up!! The rest of the world is not stupid and blind.
Posted by tawny on 06/28/11 01:39 PM
Well - thesis/anti-thesis/synthesis - right?
Now 'we'(whoever 'we' are) are giving the country to China, one state at a time, evidently, beginning with Idaho.
I heard an interesting bit on a radio show long ago - for some reason the regular guest was not able to come on, and instead there was this ex-military guy who said he'd belonged to a hit team whose task was to eliminate uncontrolled rising charismatic potential leaders in Asia.
Had the ring of truth, and if true (and actually, even if not), then ergo, Mao could have been eliminated as a young hopeful of a ruthless dictator, but was not. I think Communist China has been a paper tiger all along.(Like the USSR - in this regard, read Antony Sutton's WALL STREET AND THE BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION.)
It's pretty easy to tell who the real enemies of the NWO are - they are being vilified in the press and bombed the hell out of. Oh, and of course they are 'violating human rights' - hence we have to rescue them by polluting them with DU weapons and occupying their countries.
Communist China is actually a kind of NWO 'model state'. A hard working impoverished people, de facto slave laborers in all but name, many of them, who know if they step out of line, it is the lao gai for them, until it is time for their organs to be harvested and sold on the international market.
Btw this guy who was on the Asian undesirables hit team had another interesting thing to say... he said that this team, all of them, at a certain point, point of retirement I believe, got some kind of 'flu' that required their hospitalization in a military hospital... and he said they came out with 'cardboard memories'. Mind control techniques very advanced. Undisclosed technologies on all fronts, very advanced. I believe that there is a huge gap between what the elites know, and can do, and what we the sheeple know, and can do - the technological knowledge and abilities gap has reduced us to the equivalent of the New World natives when Columbus came sailing in, with his amazing huge ships...and wondrous weapons.
Posted by Dave Jr on 06/28/11 01:19 PM
"First and foremost they steal technology."
I think it is sold to them for a song.
"Secondly they set their currency value and not the currency market which is amazing."
The Chinese central bank does this, the chinese people have no say.
"Third they are avoiding the debt pitfalls of the central banking west."
No, the Chinese central bank, a player, is playing their part.
"Fourth, the Bank of China is owned by the government and profits offset the need for high taxes."
Do you have references to the owners? I also would like to know who owns the Federal Reserve.
"Fifth, the Chinese are a disciplined industrious culture who has a long history of innovation."
Disciplined, yes. Not so much inovation lately (see your first point)
"Finally, and in short, China is playing the game better than its competitors who invented the game to a large extent."
China is as duped as we are.