If the events depicted in the following video are indicative of a trend in the military, the third leg, "military," may also be on shaky ground. This portends a general breakdown in the US society.

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Thanks

I read your "Best Way to Make a Difference... " and I agree that there are power elites who will never relinquish their hold on world power. I also agree that the internet is a great way to move independent thoughts and ideas around.

But how come libertarians have not succeeded in putting their leaders out front in the national stage if its tenets, as you say, are the most ideal for today's problems?

Much like communism that hastily labels anyone an evil capitalist if he or she does not subscribe to their ways, you also quickly judge anyone who is not a libertarian a "power elite puppet" who'll simply carry on business and politics as usual. Are you sure a libertarian would not do the same once such an individual occupies the White House? I believe you fell flat on your face when you exhorted libertarians not to vote. That was a big mistake! Why? Because the nation never got the chance to see how many you were had you all voted for that 3rd candidate whose name escapes me.

And about this "currency to be determined by free markets," ever heard of the Mafia? If only Dr Mises factored in greed, he wouldn't be all too ecstatic in espousing this free market thing because at the end of the day, a market system devoid of government is like saying Utopia exists. Greed and the urge to control is in man's DNA, which is also the reason why the power elite came to be in the first place. Someone or some group is definitely bound to create a system that would give them the most advantageous position and limitless amount of resources even in your so-called "free market" society. Nothing man-made - or man-thought - is meant to last.

You want to be really free of the power elite? Go Amish.

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"But how come libertarians have not succeeded in putting their leaders out front in the national stage if its tenets, as you say, are the most ideal for today's problems?"

Money Power. Ron Paul was starting to win and he was stopped. Jefferson was a libertarian. The US was founded on Libertarian principles. Money Power is a great distorter. That's why we value the Internet Reformation.

@ Mava.

I am saying that there are more important things to worry about than a birth certificate.

Secondly, I am not sure what the point is of going completely off the reservation by suggesting the President may try to close down the Supreme Court and Congress. What is this meant to illustrate? It surely can't be taken as an argument. I find it difficult to see how can extrapolate what you said from my simple point that it is not important where the President is born, so long as he believes in the principle of liberty, as opposed to coercion.

I think we all know that Obama is a believer in the latter, and so I will reiterate my point: Only at a local (county, district, municipal) level can we ever hope to affect meaningful change of the kind libertarians would like to see. Short of that, we will for the forseeable future continue to see the idiotic public give sanction to actions of the sort that make people who just want to be left alone grind their teeth. I do not want to live with the consequences of that. I want to secede. That is my ultimate point.

@DB

Epithets used by rank-and-file Democrats:

birther. A person who believes that Obama lacks a US birth certificate.
Paulist. A supporter of Ron Paul.

teabagger. A supporter of the Tea Party movement.

Epithets indicate a rank-and-file Democratic mindset. Rather pedestrian people who like to emote while showing a simple minded faith in memes. Their team won so now they're entitled to gloat at the sore losers on the losing team because their team won. They are firmly ensconced in the dialectic "as is" promoted by mass media Hannity-Rove celebrity.

Another Democratic faction, disciples of the former Democratic Leadership Council, also seldom stray from the dialectic. The DLC mindset tries to remain above fray and so seldom resorts to epithets. The DLC mindset tends to act as an Obama apologist, always counseling compromise.

Yet another Democratic faction, the progressive Democrats, represent our best hope. This faction tends to support Occupy Wall Street, to the chagrin of the DLC mindset (who just wants to "go along to get along"). Progressives possess the ability to see the mercantilism embedded in Obamacare. Progressives such as Dennis Kucinich are merely tolerated by the party in much the same way that the Republican Party tolerated Ron Paul.

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Thanks Don, we were being sarcastic.

@agnosticanarchist

"As far as the concern of the birthplace of the President is concerned, I do not care if he was born on Mars, as long as his head is in the right place. Obama's head is in the wrong place. The important thing to remember in all of this is that reality is much more mundane than most of us would like to accept when making our fanciful observations. "

Ok. And I don't care if the president closes the supreme court for good, along with congress. That also would be ok with you? Should we arbitrarily pick and chose which part of the constitution doesn't have to be followed?

What about a Mexican kid who wants to go to college but wasn't born in US? Or a kid from Egypt who will never even get a visa, because he was born in Egypt?

But, of course, for Obama, we should make an exception from the law?

Now we have a POTUS who not only is not Constitutionly eligible for the office but has been elected by overt, blatant fraud. Here is an interesting analyis every DB read whould study, especially those dedicated to electing a libertarian candidate in 2016.

Below is an excert. The full story is at Now we have a POTUS who not only is not Constitutionly eligible for the office but has been elected by overt, blatant fraud. Here is an interesting analyis every DB read whould study, especially those dedicated to electing a libertarian candidate in 2016.

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November 7 | Was the election stolen? Remember all those lawsuits by Democrats demanding that any voter identification laws be repealed. Well, now we know why they filed them. They needed to steal the vote in certain key states so that Obama could be reelected.

Curiously, Obama lost in every state that requires a photo ID to be produced before voting. A list of closely contested state elections with no voter ID, which narrowly went to Obama include: Minnesota (10), Iowa (6), Wisconsin (10), Nevada (6), Colorado (9), New Mexico (5) and Pennsylvania (20). This amounts to a total of 66 electoral votes. When added to Romney's total of 205 electoral votes, that would give Romney 271 electoral votes, enough votes to win even without Ohio or Florida.

November 7 | Was the election stolen? Remember all those lawsuits by Democrats demanding that any voter identification laws be repealed. Well, now we know why they filed them. They needed to steal the vote in certain key states so that Obama could be reelected.

Curiously, Obama lost in every state that requires a photo ID to be produced before voting. A list of closely contested state elections with no voter ID, which narrowly went to Obama include: Minnesota (10), Iowa (6), Wisconsin (10), Nevada (6), Colorado (9), New Mexico (5) and Pennsylvania (20). This amounts to a total of 66 electoral votes. When added to Romney's total of 205 electoral votes, that would give Romney 271 electoral votes, enough votes to win even without Ohio or Florida.

"This one we think we understand. Thanks." …. Reply from The Daily Bell [regarding Posted by amanfromMars on 11/10/12 10:28 AM]

And do you also agree on the unifying nature of what can be done with simple messages made perfectly understandable to all in their own language, so that East knows what West knows what South knows what North knows, and everyone knows everything and/or as much as they can freely choose to learn.

It is though not without its physical excitements and mental challenges, and one should be made clearly aware of the dangers to one's sanity in strange fields of total information awareness, for whenever all knowledge is available at the click of a mighty mouse or the swype of a fingertip, is the world that you may think you know, nothing at all like it at all, but with IT and Media Command and Control, can it be like we share it.

"The important thing to remember in all of this is that reality is much more mundane than most of us would like to accept when making our fanciful observations." …. Posted by agnosticanarchist on 11/11/12 02:17 AM

Actually, the reality is quite the opposite, and more fantastic and likely probable the more attractively crazy it is portrayed and delivered with words which define and control these new virtual space places/internetworking and truly imaginative novel scenarios which are as …… well, if you can offer anything to trump Quite Heavenly HyperRadioProActivate IT Drivers in Live Operational Virtual Environments, would it be added to Lead ProgramMING practically immediately, agnosticanarchist.

"I am for Obama and for his success. And with the kind of audience you got here, it seems pretty clear to me that you are all wishing him ill on his second term so you could gloat." …. Posted by The_Squiller on 11/11/12 12:29 AM

Not all, and maybe even very few would so wish him ill, The_Squiller, and some would even expect quiet contact with the man and trusted staffers to prove that Uncle Sam has a notion to do something remarkable with Command and Control of Virtual InterNetworking with Intelligence Space Stations and Sensitive Information Bases/CyberIntelAIgent Nodes, or be proved by inaction in such expectation to be unfit for Future Great IntelAIgent Game purpose, which would be a fabulous fabless zeroday vulnerability exploit development opportunity squandered and abdicated to others. But it wouldn't be the end of the world, would it, with others more able and enabled in control, would it?

As far as the concern of the birthplace of the President is concerned, I do not care if he was born on Mars, as long as his head is in the right place. Obama's head is in the wrong place. The important thing to remember in all of this is that reality is much more mundane than most of us would like to accept when making our fanciful observations.

By this I mean to say that it is likely that the legacy of Obama will not be revolutionary, but rather more gradualist. He is serving as a figurehead who gives sanction to ideas which serve to slowly but surely further solidify America into something deemed by people of the left as a fairer society. The grim fact is that these changes, like Medicare and Social Security before them, are likely to become permanent fixtures.

Demographics, like many others have said, is destiny. Short of a legion of like minded individuals moving in together to affect change in their own immediate vicinity, I can see no realistic way of stopping this force. The tides are not in the favor of those seeking maximum individual liberty, at least those who seek to affect such change through voting. The only option is for the libertarian minded populace to band together and reject all usurpations of liberty, whether or not the official declarers of constitutionality say it is the right thing to do.

We as free people have only ourselves to account for. The time has been at hand for decades, but the urgency of the problem is only becoming evident to the point of being unable to be ignored in recent years with the advent of the DHS and TSA. Perhaps it is naive to believe such a band of hardy individuals of the old tradition could wrest power back and buck the centralized systems of bureaucratization that most have come to accept as the new norm, but if we do not retain a bold hope in such radical and frankly seccessionist ideals, then in my opinion we have sacrificed everything that free men ought to stand for: the right to live free.

Oh, so you're also a birther. Quite frankly, I never expected this from DB, least of all from you, Mr. Wile. What's that got to do with pulling America out of her mess?

It seems to me most comments posted here are mostly republican Paulists while a sprinkling are teabaggers, and Rove-Hannity wannabe's. So I guess your birther comments are aimed to pander to these people.

I am for Obama and for his success. And with the kind of audience you got here, it seems pretty clear to me that you are all wishing him ill on his second term so you could gloat. No amount of social and economic reform that this administration will ever take will convince you to help out? Even if these reforms will put the rest of the nation on an even keel? Even if these reforms will benefit you or your families?

Indeed, what a bunch of sore losers, sour grapes, and bitter doomsayers.

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What is a birther? (Sarcasm off))

Mr. Obama is a fraud. Unfortunately, most of us will no longer be on terra firma when the truth about him comes out; most will be under terra firma!
Regardless of what The Bell thinks of Mitt Romney, he was the best the GOP has nominated since Barry Goldwater. If Romney is what you term an elite, let's hear it for the elites,because then l' like to be one of them.

"The Daily Bell will offer cutting-edge solutions"

Dear Bell, in my ongoing effort to expand the elves' exposure to science, I'm linking to a video that shows an answer to most of man's technological problems.

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It's 62 minutes long and eminently understandable. The conclusions are not questionable. There are other important breakthroughs on the horizon.

Optimism isn't about making positive assumptions, nor is it about forcing yourself to feel good. Optimism is simply the art of remaining open to possibility. In other words, what happens when we are no longer occupying the mind with our judgments, labels, and dogmatic opinions. When we are not trying to artificially make ourselves believe that life is great and when we are not busy assuming that it's the end of the world, we are left with nothing but possibility.

That state of being open to possibility without judgment is the source of creative power, personal growth, inner peace, and pleasant emotion. Positive assumptions are needed only when you have negative assumptions that you're trying to overcome. But when you drop your assumptions altogether, your soul stands naked in the open fields of possibility. And what you choose to create from that space is up to you.

Coleman

I prefer to truthful to cheerful.

I believe this passed election was the official tipping point of the destruction of America, I am not optimistic about anything. The broken democracy of the social welfare and over paid unionized labour in the US are now the majority in the, there is no turing back.

I don't see how you can be optimistic, everything is corrupt, the education system is is dumbing down our children, we have no ethical code, the lame media is a propaganda tool.

Oboma was elected because he says he's black, period.

This election was the last chance for the white in America to have a shot at leadership in America. I don't believe a white male will ever be president again. The demographics will continue to become less white, with the baby boomers who are mostly white rapidly dying off and the hatred for anything white in American culture will ensure that no white male will ever rise to the office of president again.

Even white women and young white males will not vote for a white man, they have been convinced through their indoctrination to hate their own race.
This election was about Race, and everything else took a back seat.
The progressives will call me a raciest because we are not allowed to have a real conversation about these things.

This election obviously was won by Hussein Barack Oboma because this once a Muslim, born from radical communist fundamentalist parents, was put in place but the PE because, he is personable, can read well, comes from the radical left and is kinda black. The say he is the great American author, if you read he ridiculously amateuristic books, you would see them for what they are, propaganda for simpletons.

All of his policies only aid the supper rich PE with the facade of giving free stuff to the lazy.

The world is forever change as of November/12, and the erosion will continue, because of the racial effects of the brainwashed clapping masses are being directed to their increasingly slave state by their intellectual superiors, the POWER elite.

Everything is manipulated and there are no surprises to the ones in control.
How is it possible for a country of 400 million be perfectly divided in two.
It can't be, its an illusion to give the slave population the facade of choice.
Mitt Romey a very unlikeable poster boy for everyone to hate, white, male, Mormon, stinking rich, with a leave it to beaver family.

What latino or black is going to vote for him? Oh and the war on women thats a beauty, women have more advantages today then men, its as ridiculous as the war on drugs or war on terrorism and yet they hop on board just like their told.

No, there is no reason for optimism, the freeman and free mind are a thing of the past.

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Cheer up, Revolutionary thinking.

Freedom is never passe and each generation has its struggles .....

This is a repost of a link. I believe that it is important. GOV is definitely attacking it's own citizens.

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As far as obummer getting more militaristic, I don't see much chance of success at him taking on proxies for China and Russia.

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Attacking Iran would be suicide.

Immigration reform is a big boondoggle. Mexicans came her for jobs. Take away the jobs and you don't attract Mexicans.

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Obummer doesn't have a prayer at success at anything.

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Now you underestimate him - and those around him.

Say What??? "expectations of partisan, racial and global healing... " The very LAST thing Obama is going to produce is "healing."

If roughly 25 % of the US electorate voted for Soetoro... ..and 75% did not... .and most of those are armed to the teeth... ... .what happens when they find out their money and pensions are worthless in the rest of the world? When the Greek malaise hits the US... and it will in one form or another... .it will be a cliff that leads to an abyss. Posturing politicians pretending to make weighty decisions will mean absolutely nothing as darkness decends over a once great nation.

Good luck with your new projects. As farmers, we are very aware that all great things start with a seed. Remembrance Day seems an appropriate time to reflect on this. Thanks for Dailybell.

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Thank you.

" In fact, I tend to believe that Obama will become even more stridently globalist in his second term. Things will move quickly."

He has taken up the mantle of the U.N. Small Arms Treaty again, which is expected to eviscerate the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (as if that hasn't already been happening for some time without the U.N.'s help).

That ever "useful idiot," "CALL ME SENATOR!" Diane Feinstein, plans to reintroduce another "Assault Weapons" ban, even after the first (1994-2004) did nothing, as expected by everyone who understand guns and gun crimes, to reduce violent crimes. Her new one will truly get the job done (sure... ) this time around since there will be no "grandfathering" of older weapons already in the hands of private citizens or there will be no expiration date on this ban. All weapons must be turned in and destroyed. That will make the streets safer for an occupying force, foreign or domestic, to take over America.

Reports of increased gun sales are showing up in the MSM, blamed on Obama's re-annointment, though actual reports from dealers is that sales are about normal for this season ("It is the most wonderful time of the year"). Throw in "Fast and Furious" and few other firearm-related boondoggles and it becomes obvious that the U.S. and U.N. governments intend to declare war on American gunowners.

It is well to remember that the actual shooting at Lexington and Concord, MA, that began the American War for Independence started over an argument between the British and the Colonists about gun control. "History never repeats itself, but it can sure rhyme... " Mark Twain

@hskiprob,

I think so too. The prevailing opinion among my American friends is that once the collapse happens, then America will finally be able to wake up and continue being the real America.

But, I think they all underestimate the price they will have to pay for touching that infectious decease, the socialism. The price is that the people forever remain infected zombies. They will not allow America to turn around, to pick itself up.

In USSR, this consequence is still in play, and this is why modern Russia is still a wasteland. They are paying the price, most of their population is zombified. Another price to pay looms close in the meantime: While you deal with large part of the population being simply cows with passports, entire generations of children are not being educated. Russian schools, formerly best of the best, are now not better than American schools, and produce equally impotent graduates. This is a new layer of problems on top of all that already existed.

So, yes, I don't think that the collapse will fix America in the instant. That would be too easy. Religious references bring to mind the impossibility of return once you sell the soul. More exact biblical reference speaks of the time required to pass to erase the "cows with passport" generations: 7 "knees", meaning seven entire generations worth of time must pass. Now this is more like it.

I just can't seem to post without lots of cites. I do a LOT of reading. Most people can't take that much time.
Harry Reid say that the debt ceiling WILL be raised. I'm not so sure that it will happen that way. There is just so LITTLE time left to work out the debt ceiling AND the fiscal cliff.
Obummer says that he will make major cuts in social spending. Boehner says that the framework must be in place by the end of the year.
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The bi-partisan budget committee did a good job of proving that there is no common ground. The GOP insists that tax cuts on the wealthy HELP the economy. Now, they're pissed off because it's been proven to be untrue.
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Reid believes that the GOP will cave in at the last moment. I suspect that they will lock up the deal just to prove that they can.
In a general sense, the Dems appeal to the non-producers and the Reps appeal to the producers. The produces have a lot more control over the economy. I believe that they will soon pull the rug out from under the current admin.
I believe that the "flash crash" that was executed 2 years ago was just an object lesson. The real thing is yet to come.