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Vatican Calls for Global Genocide
It was reported that the Vatican sought "a supranational authority" which would have worldwide scope and "universal jurisdiction" to guide and control global economic policies and decisions. China's new push for closer ties with Russia, the growing intrusions from the United Nations with regards to control of the Internet and the latest remarks made by the Catholic Church all point to a new world order that will set in stone a path the world may not be able to recover from. – Activist Post
Dominant Social Theme: Global is the new good.
Free-Market Analysis: According to Andrew Puhanic, contributor to the alternative media website the Activist Post, the Vatican (the Pope) has called for world government and a New World Order ...
He writes that the leader of the Catholic Church, Pope Benedict XVI, has recently made a speech at the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace (Monday, December 3, 2012) calling for the "construction of a world community, with a corresponding authority [serving] the common good of the human family."
Here at The Daily Bell we were lucky enough to have a friend who used Google to translate the speech and confirmed that from what he could tell, the reports were accurate. We haven't seen the speech but if the reports are true, the Vatican is proposing a kind of genocide.
Does that sound too blunt? In the 20th century, governments one way or another murdered up to 150 million people. What on Earth gives the Vatican an assurance that world government will not be even MORE merciless?
And there seems little question, from what we can tell – again, if the reports are accurate – that the Pope is proposing a GOVERNMENT. Here's more from the article:
As a means of defending global peace and justice, the pope's vision for the establishment of World Government and a New World Order is supposedly not to create a new superpower, but a new governing body that offers to those (politicians) who are responsible for making decisions, criteria for judgment and practical guidelines.
The Pope was quoted as saying: "The proposed body (World Government) would not be a superpower, concentrated in the hands of a few, which would dominate all peoples, exploiting the weakest."
The Pope also described his vision as a "moral force" or moral authority that has the "power to influence in accordance with reason, that is, a participatory authority, limited by law in its jurisdiction."
Puhanic points out that the Pope's remarks are historically congruent. "These latest remarks made by the Pope and the Catholic Church come as no surprise considering that in 2010 the Catholic Church sought the establishment of a new Central World Bank that would be responsible for regulating the global financial industry and the international money supply."
Unfortunately for the Pope's stance regarding world government, the facts simply seem unimpeachable. The bigger the government, the more merciless it is and the more dangerous to the people who live under its sway.
The Pope and the Vatican expect that such a government would NOT be a superpower? Exactly how do they know? They expect such a government to provide a "moral force" and yet be "limited by law."
This is the stuff of fairytales. If man ever did by chance erect global government, it would be neither limited nor moral. The entire bloody history of humankind shows that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
The best way for human beings to survive in this woeful world is via the smallest groups feasible – familial, tribal, clan and community entities that allow people to decide on their cultures, resource extraction and formulas for living.
The Leviathan that the Vatican seeks must inevitably offer exploitation of the harshest kind, confiscation, forced "norms," comprehensive punishment and ultimately, as we pointed out above, policies that will grow increasingly murderous over time leading inevitably to genocide.
Conclusion: These are history's lessons. Shame on the Pope for ignoring them.
Posted by samson on 12/15/12 04:07 PM
yes, give us this power. we will take care of you. remember, we are the power that brought to the world the ever beloved INQUISITION, THE RECANT OR BURN POLICY. surely you don't believe those terrible stories of fire & torches, when we protected the CATHOLIC HOLY BIBLE FOR YOU BY KEEPING IT UNDER LOCK & KEY, and interpretating it for you.
Posted by jwhitehawke on 12/14/12 11:15 AM
The attached interview with Kissinger re-aaffirns the above. People don't listen to the elite.. Kissinger calls the NWO the 'global international elite'. He said 'they' want to give the world population a feeling 'we' are not being oppressed.
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Posted by factotum on 12/13/12 11:41 PM
The best way for human beings to survive in this woeful world is via the smallest groups feasible - familial, tribal, clan and community entities that allow people to decide on their cultures, resource extraction and formulas for living. ******
That is so cool. In fact there are whole groups doing that now. Afghanistan, Pakistan, Mali. Unless I am in error, a large number of African countries have tribal organizations like that. The Hutu and Tutsi come to mind. Of course I could be wrong.
And think of all the wonderous things that such tribal organizations have produced. There is ... . Hmmm... . well, how about? Cheese curds. and Stonehedge. and I am sure that many of you could think of more
Posted by Charlie Max on 12/13/12 10:05 PM
This is a reply to the Daily Bell (see my post #11 below):
Daily Bell: And why do you conflate the formal Church with its spiritual foundations?"
Carlie Max: Because according to Catholic Doctrine, there is a Heavenly Order that was established by God since the beginning of all creation. Any form of spirituality that rejects this Heavenly Order is rebellious and satanic in nature. Thus, the Catholic Church became the custodian of the Sacraments that are derived from this heavenly order by Divine decree (by Christ-God Himself, according to scripture). Furthermore, no matter how corrupted the religious institution or the clergy may be, any of the Church Sacraments FORMALLY administered by an ORDAINED priest will always remain valid: in other words, no amount of corruption or evil committed by men can override what has been decreed by God.
Daily Bell: Were the church to perish, Christ-God would still remain, would He not?
Charlie Max: The Body of Christ cannot and will never perish. The Catholic Church embodies this Eternal Truth.
You may not believe in any of this stuff and think of the Church Sacraments as a pure ritualistic thing. But one thing is certain, the demons are the first to believe and react to it: they will crawl and be thrown to hell if exposed to a Benedictine Cross!
Posted by expatriot on 12/13/12 04:34 PM
A note about the notes... first Charlie Max...
Do not confuse "Catholics" with the "Catholic Church" (a country with a secret military called jesuits). Doubtlessly most catholics are first of all born that way, and second of all simply following what they have been taught be be right. But this has little or nothing to do with the eyeball up in the cap stone of the Vatican whose purpose is and always has been one of power (which may well be why the Pope dresses like a Pharaoh with the same fish head hat). This is because long ago people figured out that if you control spiritual beliefs, you control just about everything. The only reason the "Pope" represents "the body of Christ" (which is rediculous since there was not person named christ in the first place : his name was Jesus) is because his super rich robber baron establishment says so.
People will go and die for a war if they think it is for god... but they may not do that if they think it is simply to make their king yet richer.
Indeed as such the Catholic church started off as one of the greatest and successful acts of political subversion of all time. Constantine inherited a problem. There was a group of gnostic fanatics(and by the way these gnostics, the origian followers of Jesus, have always been chased out and burned by the Catholics : just look into the Cathars in south France : such as Montségur 1244) who believed in teachings of a man who was not afraid to die because his god promised that his body was secondary to human soul. Thus for 300 years this sect grew as a rather problem to the power which were as power relies on fear... and if people think they can not be destroyed... well! That's not good news to those in power! As such Constantine brought in the best and the brightest to study the doctrines of these fanatics and rather than outlawing them (as everyone had done unsuccessfully before him) he subverted them by accepting their doctrine, legalising it and becoming it's head honcho... The first "Pope".
His actions made sure that the doctrines would be controlled by the powers that be from then on as the one legal 'religion'. The dictator who followed Constantine not only illegalized all other religions, but had the royal libraries burned thus erasing all the technical know how of the roman empire and ushering in the dark ages with an absolute "you aree for us or against us" policy. The bible (a unification of many selected books), gospels and so on, were not only edited by Constantine, but what survived were kept in languages common people did not know (indeed few could read anyway) thus insuring that "the word of god" was totally in the hands of the powers that be. As such those who showed any sign of not agreeing with what the popes or officials put forth, could be at short notice burned at the stake plus have all their property confiscated by the church and inquisitors... hardly what Jesus seemed to imply that ! As such the power and wealth of the Church grew unobstructed along with the general poverty and ignorance of humanity.
So called "Religion" happens when a spiritual doctrine is taken over by a political power for it's own use. The outline and portent of the spiritual doctrine may remain, but is generally bent to the needs and aspirations of the greed on top. Right now we have a Pope who was part of the Nazi Youth Movement... and if that does not make your hair raise a bit, well, maybe you are bald?
Now, Bobby... yes indeed you are correct. These religions not only resemble each other but also have pretty much the same exact symbols : a star and a moon mainly. The same exact origins... which is basically jewish (Jesus having been indeed a preacher of that faith was never "a christian" : but also note that the jewish religion is also deeply steeped in both the sun/moon worship found in both Egypt and Babylon : as indeed also in Hinduism : likely handed down to us by our previous race of humans : the neanderthals who were also likely far more sophisticated than we give credit)... although in the case of Islam, there were additional influences from Hinduism as that faith's outskirts had long seeped into the middle east at that time and history tells us that Muhammad's uncle, who he was greatly influenced by, was of that faith.
The differences being in that the Pope after time (as indeed during several periods there were several conflicting "popes" at any one given time) became a centralised power with his own palace and indeed country. Islam's centre of power is a bit more sketchy as it as of yet has no one centralised leader : but rather any strong man from any various localities can become "a leader"... thus making Islam rather interesting (to say the least : literally) .
Of course, the Pope is no longer the centre of the christian world either since indeed his lopsided power structure was reformed because of the advent of the printing press which brought back some degree of rational thinking and it's spread. Thus the christian world is not only Catholic (and as such to the Catholics christians who do not bend knee to the Pope remain heretics)
As spiritual doctrines go, I find the words of Jesus (not the religion) to resemble closer to the philosophies of Buddha. Although Buddha never claimed to be god, nor even god's human personification. He did explain something that Jesus also explained (and I suspect even Muhammad must have also explained as doubtlessly he too understood essential elements of human experience), which was how to participate in "god's plan" : thus bring to bring our conscious minds above our physical beings (as indeed the latter is temporary at best).
Hitler, a devout Catholic took up the idea of Jilad. Jilad means "my struggle" or "Mein Kampf" in German but is in fact intended to mean one's own internal struggle with right and wrong : but tends to be understood as external struggle by either the extreme branches of Islam or people like Hitler as between "us and them". Frankly, suspect that Muhammad himself lost sight of this very fact in the later part of his life thus rather confusing his more purely spiritual ideas of youth. As such he did something that Jesus did not do, but Constantine did later : which was start an expansionist "religion" : thus above and beyond his original spiritual ideas : in the very political sense as Muhammad himself went to war over his own spiritual ideas.
As the DB suggests, we are victims of controlled history. Part of that control is both the fact that history is written by the winners (not only pre planned); but moreso that most people don't question history or even look at all into it. The Catholic religion and the Islam religion would both lose a great deal of their fervent followers if those followers had a more accurate idea of the real histories underlying them. Both of these religions have one other thing in common : a fervent hatred for along with violent blood shedding reaction to opposition. All though their blood thirsty histories! However, if you real feel you are oh so right... Thus so dang right that those who oppose your rightousness should be killed (to hell with them!). Well my friend! Carry on ! The NWO is for you. So far you got the money on your side. Humanity however is for the most part not quite going to enjoy their whole sale slaughter, nor the following slavery to the one world state which forge the new world religion which will likely ensue.
Posted by expatriot on 12/13/12 04:33 PM
But to return to "religion" which in my mind is any spiritual guide taken over by a power system and thus used as political tool (above and beyond it's spiritual origins or doctrines), Islam and Catholicism both are both very potently successful political expansionist systems which prey's upon simple naive peoples, all of whom seek the same thing : some sort of hope that this short life is not all there is. Indeed any and every philosophical or spiritual system adopted by any state is exactly that : even if it's founding spiritual guide was sincere and true. This does not mean that the words of Jesus, Muhammad, or Buddha or your local sheikh, swami, guru, priest or rabbi or who ever is lying to you. Many such people mean well and offer positive help : no matter what systems they are part of. Even if those systems are corrupt at the top and or rather irrational, no less there exists both good and bad in all of these doctrines (which must be culled by the individual). Positive and negative are both essential components of existence ! As such "god" in any religion may point either way, but it is up to the individual to find the right way at the level the individual is at.
As such, the real truth of heaven and hell is you (not your religion : as indeed there are lots of very religious people who will condemn to hell all who do not practice their faith. This somehow seems a rather amoral to me as people who are born to various cultures will generally stay with the religion of that culture thus if it's the wrong one : "Presto! Too bad pal !"). You are either in one or the other already (to some serious degree) and it is up to you to improve on which ever you have placed yourself into (a positive or negative path) no matter what systems or culture you have been born into : this does not obviously require a change of faith, but perhaps a change of how you interpret your faith : even if that faith is atheist : or worse : satanic ! Indeed every "religion" has ways to deal with this positive negative axis which implies action on the individual's part. Frankly that is not tomorrow nor yesterday, but now.
The only real power in this world is our own spirits (which interpres "reality" and thus drive our desires : thus defines physical world) and these must learn both moral action though love and persistence to be free (thus open minded to others being free as well); or be subdued by those who overstep love and human moral action for selfish actions which tends towards a hatred of others who they have, via bolstering themselves with spoils, found to be inferior : to the point of hoping to be reincarnated as a killer virus as one certain elite (or idiot) once openly wished for. Other elites simply aspire to total control (NWO) to thus make a general hell (controlled humanity) which somehow supports their meaningless success of eliteness... maybe with a bit of help from a killer virus or a nice big bad thus super profitable world war.
In short, all religions share common ground... spiritual hope as a basis with political domination as the add one premise. This is not to condone nor condemn the natural aspirations of any believer of any faith, but is not less a warning to adhere to what spiritual means inside of you, rather than out side of you... and the Pope is not inside of you.
Jesus's name was never "Christ" : but "Christ" was some sort of spiritual crystal or source of consciousness breathed into us all (which may well the meaning of the idea that he was "the son of god") by "god". This is universal and may well also come from an older religion than his own as it seems also to resemble the word "Krishna". Although the obscured words of who ever that man was, by time, political interests, greed and so on, leave us with but a sketch of his message, it remains a universal one (not by any means alone) which by no means limits people to being or following any race, religion, creed or color. This tendency in religions to single out the best most powerful god is human foolishness (very useful for war, by the way). Such ideas such as the jews being god's "chosen people" are results of political agendas which are added into spiritual guides when power structures or simple egotism take hold (pardon for picking on "the jews", like everyone else, they are simply people : but this is a good simple example which can be found, at least in form, built into most religions as soon as any given religion marks their territory as "the one and only way"). The reality is that no group has been chosen by the creator of the universe because that creator has created all things & creatures (maybe via evolution and science) in the first place, not a mono one species system with preselected favourites. The favourite idea is all too human as thus indeed rather too racist to be pinned on the creator of a universe. As such, worship nor don't as you see fit, but with full respect for those who do or believe otherwise. This is much closer to the cosmic scheme or matrix of things which favours variety... even if nature does have certain similarities between vastly different things. If you believe in god, thank god for his/her being wiser than man, if not... well, hum ho : pray that you wise up as man ! Where ever absolute truth may fall (a thing we are likely not privy to), our opinions thus religions will not change absolute truths, but more likely muddle them.
Frankly, put a great deal more faith in your own simple observation than in anybody who calls himself "Pope" and thus heads one of the richest ill begotten fortunes on earth. Playing politics with god as an excuse is not spiritual. It is banal power at work. Popes have been behind genocide before; as many very large power structures have been. If you don't want the law of the jungle, you need to pave it. Thus kill all that was natural there. Then you can put up road signs (the rule of law) and hire cops to control it all.
Posted by Charlie Max on 12/12/12 11:46 PM
This is a reply to the Daily Bell three points (see my post #7 below):
1. "The Pope apparently DID say these things, though in the article we pointed out we had not seen the original text."
REPLY: How can you draw conclusion without seeing the original text and based on appearences???
2. "The EU also believes in subsidiarity. It's just a word."
REPLY: Really? Did you know that words hold meaning, and that the RCC is NOT the EU?
3. "The Catholic church and the Vatican are part of a larger religiosity. It is the religiosity that is to blame, not the spiritual element. And there is plenty of blame for the Church to shoulder. It was once a far more violent creature and may be again ... "
REPLY: Oh, wait a minute, according to you, the Catholic Church, representing the Body of Christ on earth, should not fight to bear witness to the truth because she is a 'violent creature' and ought to be blamed for her religiosity? Are you trying to tell me that you rather submit to evil and be coerced into accepting any form of despotism in the name of some sort of spirituality?
After reading much ignorance and BS on this board about the Catholic Church, wait until the UN comes after your guns and Jihadists take over the world. In that day you will be thankful to have Catholics crusading for freedom.
A couple of articles related to this subject for those who are interested:
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Reply from The Daily Bell
To argue that the Catholic Church, like other quasi-theocratic organizations has not in the past proven to be a bloody beast is a fairly useless exercise. History amply documents its excesses. And why do you conflate the formal Church with its spiritual foundations? Were the church to perish, Christ-God would still remain, would He not?
Posted by Bobby7 on 12/12/12 09:58 AM
Roman Catholicism and Islam: Brothers-In-Arms!
Autocratic Form of church Government
In the first place both Islam and Catholicism have a similar autocratic form of church government where the seat of authority resides in one person: the pope in Catholicism and Muhammad in Islam. What the pope is for Catholics, Muhammad is for the Muslims. Both of them are accepted as God's representatives on earth. The pope claims to be Yeshua the Messiah (1922), and Muhammad proclaimed himself to be God's greatest prophet, superseding the Messiah himself. What this means is that both the Catholics and Muslims share the same admiration and veneration for a human leader who dictates their beliefs and practices.
Importance of Good Works to Earn Salvation
A second striking similarity between Islam and Catholicism is their respective understanding of the importance of good works to earn salvation. Both in Catholicism and Islam salvation is the result of a combination of grace and works. In Catholicism, God's grace is infused into believers to enable them to do the necessary good works to merit salvation on the Day of Judgment.
On a similar vein in Islam salvation is a combination of Allah's grace and Muslims' works. On the Day of Judgment, if a Muslims good works outweigh their bad ones, and if Allah accepts their good works, then they may be forgiven of all their sins and enter into Paradise. Therefore, Islam is a religion of salvation by works because it combines man's works with Allah's grace.
A few verses from the Koran suffice to exemplify the importance of works:
"To those who believe and do deeds of righteousness hath Allah promised forgiveness and a great reward" (Surah 5:9).
"Then those whose balance (of good deeds ) is heavy, they will be successful. But those whose balance is light, will be those who have lost their souls; in hell will they abide" (Surah 23:102-103).
The Muslims' understanding of good works is largely determined by the performance of the Five Pillars of Islam. These are
(1) the recitation of the creed that there is only one true God Allah and Muhammad his prophet;
(2) Praying five times a day;
(3) Fasting and abstaining from sexual relations during the daylight hours of the month of Ramadan;
(4) Alms-giving to the poor;
(5) Pilgrimage to Mecca, if possible, at least one in the life time.
Similar Definition of Good Works
The Roman Catholic understanding of good works is strikingly similar. Like the Muslims, the Catholics recite the Apostles' Creed in their church service. The recitation of prayers is also an important part of Catholic piety. I vividly recall my Catholic relatives reciting their prayers in the evening. They held a rosary in their hands to count the number of Ave Marias and Pater Nosters (Lord's Prayer) they had recited.
Fasting also is recommended to Catholics, especially as a form of penance to expiate sins confessed to a priest. Alms-giving is also an important aspect of Catholic piety. Alms are usually given to in the forms of charitable contributions to various religious (monastic) organizations that minister to the orphans and the poor.
Like the Muslims, Catholic are also encouraged to make a pilgrimage to Rome, especially during the Anno Santo, that is the Holy Year, which is now celebrated every 25 years. During the last Jubilee (Holy) Year of the year 2000, it is estimated that over 40 million Catholics made their pilgrimage to Rome, seeking remission of their sins, and indulgences for their loved ones in Purgatory.
An indulgence is the remission of the temporal punishment for sins on behalf of loved ones, that can be obtained through prayers, pilgrimages, and special masses. These can shorten the duration of the punishment experienced by loved ones in purgatory. It is evident that the methods of salvation in Islam and Roman Catholicism are striking similar. Unfortunately, both religious systems ignore that salvation is a divine gift of grace (Ephesians 2:8) and not a human achievement. Works of obedience are not the basis of our salvation, but a loving response to the gracious provision of salvation. It is because "the love of Christ compels us" (2 Corinthians 5:14), that we observe YEHOVAH God's commandments (John 14:15).
A third striking doctrinal similarity between Catholicism and Islam is the intercessory role of human agents. In Catholicism, believers pray to Mary and the Saints to intercede with God on their behalf or on behalf of their loved ones. We noted earlier that the new official Catechism of the Catholic Church, acknowledges that the Muslims "venerate Jesus as a prophet, his virgin Mother they also honor, and even at times devotedly invoke."
For Muslims the supreme intercessory role is reserved for Muhammad. On the final day of judgment, the Prophet will prostrate himself before Allah who, according to tradition, will say to him: "O Muhammad! raise up your head, and speak, it will be heard; and ask, it will be given; and intercede, and it will be approved," (A. N. Matthews, Translator, Mishcat-ul-Masabih, The Tibrizi Collection, 1810, vol 1, p. 607). The text continues indicating that Allah will pull out of the Hell fire those for whom Muhammad will intercede.
The notion of human mediators interceding with YEHOVAH God on behalf of others, is foreign to Scripture. The Bible teaches that "There is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5). It is only Yeshua the Messiah, "who died, yes, who was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who indeed intercedes for us" (Romans 8:34).
Purgatory and Hell
The two doctrines of purgatory and hell are remarkably similar in both Catholicism and Islam. Both religions believe that the souls of penitent sinners need to go through a purgation or purification process before they can be admitted to Paradise. In Catholic teachings the suffering of purgatory is needed to pay for the temporal punishment of sins committed on this earth. In Islam the suffering is inflicted as punishment for sins of omission.
The Islamic vision of Hell is remarkably similar to the Roman Catholic one. In fact, some writers suggest that the seven stories Inferno of Dante Alighieri, was inspired by the Islamic Hell with seven stories, each of which for a distinct class of wicked.
In his thesis on the Eschatological Teachings of Islam, Wadie Farag writes:
"Hardly a cruder or more barbarous picture of hell could be conceived than that depicted in the Koran and Hadith. The fires of hell are seventy times the intensity of terrestrial fire. The wicked who will suffer in it throughout eternity, will forget that they ever enjoyed any pleasure on this earth. Their tongues will drag out and men will stamp upon them. They will suffer hunger and when given food it will stick in their throats. They will be given 'hot water served to them, with iron hooks; and when it comes near their faces it will scorch them, and when it goes into their bellies will tear every thing there into pieces'" (Wadie Farag, Eschatological Teachings of Islam, 1949, pp. 74-75).18
"Scorpions as big as mules and snakes like camels torment them; stinking rivers full of vile creatures entrap them; the damned have black charred skins, huge long tongues, mouths vomiting pus and blood, entrails filled with fire; their bodies will be greatly enlarged so that they can more adequately experience the torture. All suffer by fire, although the degree of punishment differs according to one's sins. The damned attempt to escape, but each time the guardians of the Fire seize them and throw them down again" (The Islamic Understanding of Death and Resurrection, p. 87).
Posted by expatriot on 12/12/12 06:01 AM
The Vatican is a country, the smallest and likely the richest in the world. The reformation occurred because of the way the Vatican abused power for over a 1000 years. This included "you are with us are against us" policies such as burning heretics... millions of them (and confiscating their properties of course)... And heathens : such as the indigenous peoples of north, central and south america... not to mention a rather ill treatment of Australian aboriginies. The Vatican endorsed Hitler thus permitting him to invade Poland... Now the jewish religion (influenced by that Nazi support of the Vatican which permitted horror in Europe : thus did the absolutely most unlikely thing : alotted land to the stricken people which was not in europe : because 6 million of the were murdered : of course nothing was given to the 50 million Orthodox Christians Lennon and Stalin murdered and hey... let's forget Mao altogether ) has also opted out of the spiritual business of religion in favor of politics too ("Zion oh happy Zion" as Firesign theater put it). Of course it is the very same elite bankers who signed Israel into existence who now bank for the Vatican (which is to say at the tippy-top they are all in the same bed together)... . at least that is what is said : "proof" is like trying to prove who really called the 9/11 event. The cards are simply not on the table. It is, no less, a huge error to imply that those who worship in Catholic Churches, or Jewish Temples, (Mosques or whatever) are at all implied in these things. People everywhere unwittingly may support or trust these establishments (as we all support or trust our own greedy full of *BS governments which intern control us into the dirt)... in short any people are guilty in so much as they are controlled by such things, but do not know that they comply with the very things which rob them.
*BS = big sticky (what did you think!)
Posted by clark on 12/12/12 03:10 AM
Dominant Social Theme: Global is the new good.
Dominant Social Theme: Global is the new god.
Also, I wonder how People such as Charlie Max just Know, "The Pope is in no way a supporter of a one world religion, one world currency, one world government, the NWO as you call it. "
I'd kind of like to see links or supporting facts. So far, and in general it seems, the actions of Catholics are contrary to what they preach. As is true of most Christians these days. Warmongers. If it weren't for the likes of Will Grigg I'd think the whole lot of them were warmongers and worshiped idols, a,k,a, the flag and the troops.
Thank God for the exceptions to what seems to be the rule these days.
Posted by Charlie Max on 12/12/12 12:15 AM
In this article, your argument against the Roman Catholic Church, and specifically against the Pope, is taken totally out of context and without proper linguistic analysis: this is what is called poor journalism and it is truly shameful. Obviously, this friend of yours who used the Google translation engine to draw his conclusion knows nothing about, and never heard of, the 'Subsidiarity' principle taught by the Catholic Church.
Pope Pius XI, in an encyclical Quadragesimo Anno, teaches it very clearly. The principle of subsidiarity is the simple notion that: 'just as it is a crime to take away and hand over to the community those things which can be done with proper struggle and industry by single men, so also it is an injury, a grave fault, and a disruption of right order to summon to the larger and higher society those things which can be done and excelled by smaller and lower communities.'
This principle clearly leads to the greater distribution of productive property (the means of production and not the fruit of your labor), and therefore opposes the monopolistic control of capital (wealth concentrated in the hands of a few) and seeks minimum or no state intervention at the family, community and local level. It is a bottom top approach.
While some so called 'catholic thinkers' use Marxism and other nihilist ideologies to support the abominable, The Pope is in no way a supporter of a one world religion, one world currency, one world government, the NWO as you call it. This NWO enterprise is in fact no new at all: it was attempted once before through the construction of the Babel Tower. It ended in total failure!
There is only one and true new world order that the Roman Catholic Church proclaims today, which is the 'Kingdom of God' that was proclaimed 2000 years ago by Christ Himself. In other words, Christ is the New World Order. There is no other one.
You may not like the Roman Catholic Church, but before parroting someone else's story about the Church and the Pope, first educate yourself about Catholicism and then get your facts straight.
De toute evidence, this is more of the same Marxist propaganda against the Roman Catholic Church...
Reply from The Daily Bell
1. The Pope apparently DID say these things, though in the article we pointed out we had not seen the original text.
2. The EU also believes in subsidiarity. It's just a word.
3. The Catholic church and the Vatican are part of a larger religiosity. It is the religiosity that is to blame, not the spiritual element. And there is plenty of blame for the Church to shoulder. It was once a far more violent creature and may be again ...
Posted by Agent Pete 8 on 12/11/12 07:51 PM
Is the Pope allowed to be a Mason and a Catholic at the same time?
Posted by IndyLyn on 12/11/12 04:23 PM
Sede vacante ... .and this has been true since 1910, the death of St. Pope Pius X, and back in 1572 to St. Pope Pius V. The true, traditional Catholic (universal) Church is NOT related to this man in any way. Thank G-d more and more christians are coming to realize this. And probably why this man is so desperate to be included in NWO discussions and associations... .he ain't got nothing else left!!!! (Sorry, just had to emote)
Posted by Ol' Grey Ghost on 12/11/12 03:47 PM
The U.S. Council of Bishops is in favor of the American people being disarmed and only the agents of government having access to the best weaponry that tax money can buy; so why shouldn't the Pope be in favor of World Government? There are those who sit on thrones and there are those who sit behind the throne with all the real power. Where do you think the Pope wants to sit?
Posted by Syren123 on 12/11/12 03:10 PM
The Catholic Church has murdered countless people for numerous reasons throughout its history. Not exactly the entity I'd rely on for "the common good."
Posted by Bobby7 on 12/11/12 03:07 PM
This is just part of an article on THE CRISIS OF ZIONISM by Peter Beinart
THE AMERICAN COUNCIL FOR JUDAISM
Allan C. Brownfeld
THE CRISIS OF ZIONISM
by Peter Beinart,
The attempt to silence Israel's critics as anti-Semitic, Beinart charges, is a form of 'moral promiscuity' which 'constitutes terrible abuse of the authority that Jewish leaders enjoy as a result of the history of Jewish suffering. It constitutes a kind of desecration, analogous to taking a sacred object and putting it to profane use. But most of all, it represents an unwillingness to accept that the world has changed, that although Israel still faces threats and anti-Semitism still exists, Jews today wield power, both in Israel and the U.S. With power comes the temptation to abuse it, and using the charge of anti-Semitism to shield Israel from criticism is the best way that Israel does exactly that.'
The philosophy which dominates the thinking of Israel's current leadership, in particular Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, is that of Revisionist Zionism which, Beinart believes, turns its back on Judaism's humane and prophetic tradition. Revisionism's leader, Vladimir Jabotinsky, writes Beinart, did not like the Jewish belief 'that they carried a moral message to the world. In his telling, the story of Jewish history went roughly like this: Once upon a time, when they still lived on their land, the Jews had been warriors, renowned for their fierce resistance to the empires of the day … The problem began, according to Jabotinsky and the Revisionists, with the prophets. Abba Achimeir, one of Jabotinsky's most militant disciples, was particularly hostile to Isaiah, who challenged the Judean kings to 'seek justice, relieve the oppressed.' The Revisionists … often scorned those passages suggesting that Jews were tasked with a special ethical mission. 'The Bible says 'thou shalt not oppress a stranger for ye know the heart of the stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt,' wrote Jabotinsky in 1910. 'Contemporary morality has no place for such childish humanism.'
Benjamin Netanyahu inherited his Revisionist philosophy from his father. In 1939, Jabotinsky cabled the 36 year old former editor of a Revisionist newspaper in Palestine, Benzion Netanyahu, and summoned him to New York. Netanyahu complied and, until Jabotinsky's death the following year, worked as his private secretary. Beinart writes that, 'Jabotinsky's influence permeates Netanyahu's writing. First, the yearning to recover the lost glory of Jewish militarism. 'The prowess of Jewish youth in Palestine should serve as a warning that the blood of the old warrior race is still alive in the Jewish people,' exulted an unsigned Zionews editorial during the time Netanyahu served as editor.'
Examples of Racism
Benzion Netanyahu's writings are filled with examples of 'racism,' Beinart shows: 'In an essay in 1943, he called Arabs 'a semi-barbaric people, which lacks any democratic traditions and is fired by religious fanaticism and hatred for the stranger.' Later, during Netanyahu's editorship, an unsigned editorial in Zionews described the Arabs as 'Ishmael, the wild man of the desert.' Netanyahu conjured the same image 66 years later, when asked by MAARIV why he didn't like Arabs. 'The Bible finds no worse image than this of the man from the desert,' the old man replied. 'And why? Because he has no respect for any law. Because in the desert he can do as he pleases. The tendency toward conflict is the essence of the Arab. He is an enemy by essence. His personality won't allow him any compromise or agreement … His existence is one of perpetual war.'
For Benjamin Netanyahu, Beinart notes, 'It is always 1938. After Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres signed the Oslo Accords in 1993, Netanyahu called Peres 'worse than Chamberlain.' In A Durable Peace, Benjamin Netanyahu repeatedly compares the West Bank to the Sudetenland, which the Nazis cleaved from Czechoslavakia en route to overrunning the entire country. Dismantling Jewish settlements, he argues, would mean a 'Judenrein' West Bank and a 'ghetto-state' within Israel's 1967 borders. If it is 1938, then Jews have no moral responsibility except to survive. … One of the most remarkable features of A Durable Peace is Netanyahu's tendency to approvingly quote imperialists expressing racist views of Arabs. He quotes Winston Churchill as saying, 'Left to themselves, the Arabs of Palestine would not in a thousand years have taken effective steps toward the irrigation and electrification of Palestine.' He cites Col. Richard Meinertzhagen, Britain's chief political officer in Palestine after World War I, as opining, 'The Arab is a poor fighter, though an adept at lootings, sabotage and murder.'
Sadly, in Beinart's view, 'American Jewish politics remains dominated by an establishment that defines support for Israel more as support for the policies of the Israeli government than as support for the principles in Israel's declaration of independence. But the American Jewish establishment is dying, literally. The typical large American Jewish organization is run by a man in his sixties, who when he meets his large donors, is among the youngest people in the room … All have built their careers on stories of Jewish victimhood and survival. None accept that we live in a new era in Jewish history, in which our challenges stem less from weakness than from power … Young American Jews are far less likely to build their identity around victimhood … For the most part, young Jews are not redefining American Zionism. They are abandoning American Zionism.'
This book has opened a heated debate about the real nature of Zionism and its effect upon American Jewish life. It is good that Zionism's excesses are being challenged, but these excesses, in reality, were inherent in the Zionist idea itself, an idea which a silent majority of American Jews have always rejected. •
Allan C. Brownfeld is a nationally syndicated columnist and serves as Associate Editor of The Lincoln Review and editor of Issues. The author of five books, he has served on the staff of the U.S. Senate, House of Representatives and the Office of the Vice President.
Posted by chad2 on 12/11/12 12:25 PM
Impressive how daily bell picks up on "meme's" and this world government movement. Very nice! Well read in many things! But yet you miss the big picture! Well read, but not in all things. You are not reading the key text! Or perhaps you fear to report the straight truth?
YES, world government is where we are going. BUT there is ONE exception to this and it's right before your eyes :) ISRAEL. Do you see how Israel is the only exception to this movement? Do you see how this tiny tiny peace of land is influencing world events in a massive way? Have you asked yourself, why in the world does the world care about this small little land? You must have some position on this as it relates to the world movement? Israel will answer to no world government (except at the very end, for a brief moment, which we are no where near at the moment).
The key text that you have not studied or reported on states that there will be a world government (first run by 10 leaders--Pope got that right) called Babylon AND there will be ONE nation that does not partake called Israel. Yes, surprise, the world against God. God has a nation and the world has it's Babylon.
You see the world has redefined the TRUTH in to something called religion to make it not seem true, to make it mystical or some silly thing... But the truth is that the TRUTH is The Bible and the world's ways are the religion. Those that subscribe to the world's religion will fall for the great deception. Those that live in truth will reap the rewards of that truth.