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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 – by Staff Report

Mariano Rajoy

EU to punish Spain for deficits, inaction ... The European Union is likely to take action against Spain's newly installed government by May for delaying austerity measures ahead of a regional election next month, sources familiar with the situation have told Reuters Reuters

Dominant Social Theme: Spain has got to pay.

Free-Market Analysis: Yesterday we asked whether the European Union's attack on Greece was intended to drive that country out of the EU or merely assert dominance. Today we ask the same question about Spain. (See article excerpt above.)

We decided when it came to Greece that it was too soon to tell. But there are surely reports in the alternative media that Greece is to be made a kind of sacrificial lamb, an example of the "get tough" strategy of the Eurozone.

Spain's status is even less clear. Spain is a huge economy relative to the rest of the European economy. And thus the bullying that Spain is now undergoing is more likely an elite dominant social theme than a full-fledged attempt to remove Spain from the "solvent" EU.

And then again ... maybe not. There are complicating factors, as we will point out toward the end of this article. These factors may be beyond the control of the EU and shadowy powers behind it.

Why would Brussels Eurocrats take aim at Spain? Well, this has been the plan all along. We don't think this current "sovereign debt crisis" erupted from nowhere.

It began when the Eurocrats gave out billions so that Southern European countries could "balance their long-term budget deficits" so that they would be eligible to join the EU. From what we can tell, these were basically bribes paid to top elites in each country.

The elites pocketed the money, or distributed to their cronies. They then ensured their countries voted to join the EU and afterward departed from power enriched by many billions. The citizens of each country, having been brow-beaten into joining, are now left to pay the proverbial piper.

Of course, Western banks lent inordinate sums to these countries as well, and we don't think that was any coincidence either. These people are not stupid. The idea that these top European bankers didn't understand that Europe was in a central banking bubble or that much of the money sloshing around Europe came from Brussels is ludicrous.

These banks, in our view, went on the hook on purpose. The idea was to create the current crisis – which in turn would give the Eurocrats the justification to interfere in local affairs, which is just what's happening. Here's some more from this article:

Asked if the European commissioner for economic and monetary affairs, Olli Rehn, would take action and recommend that the bloc's 27 finance ministers adopt sanctions against Madrid, one of the officials said: "It is very likely."

"It is not that we want to. But if there is a deviation, and it is almost inevitable, then we will have to," added the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. Any sanction of Madrid over failure to meet its deficit goals - potentially a fine - would be separate to a Commission report on macroeconomic imbalances, which is also expected to single out Spain.

Spain has been under what's known as an excessive deficit procedure since April 2009 for breaching the EU's 3 percent of GDP deficit limit. Twenty-three of the EU's 27 members are under the procedure but now Madrid could face fines of up to 0.1 percent of its economic output for not cutting its deficit.

If confirmed, the sanctions would be a blow to new centre-right Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy who, Spanish officials say, had hoped to be given leeway on the country's deficit target in return for implementing ambitious economic reforms.

Several decades ago the idea that Brussels could interfere in the internal affairs of an EU member nation would have been scoffed at. Today it is reality and tomorrow, if the trend is not reversed, Brussels will attempt to treat member nations in much the same way that the American central government treats states.

The difference, of course, is that in the US it took a civil war to concentrate power in Washington DC. Not only that, but the Internet itself is complicating the job of sociopolitical agglomeration. What we call the Internet Reformation has assisted in the formation of protests and generally added to people's understanding of their manipulation and the ongoing centralizing tendencies of the EU.

Which brings us back to Spain (and Greece). While Spain is a country that the Eurocrats will not want to push out of the EU no matter what, the possibility exists nonetheless. This is because these are fairly ancient countries with old tribes.

Spain, in fact, is comprised of a number of independent-minded blood-clans, and thanks to the Internet, these are continually asserting their identity in ways that were not possible even a decade ago.

This means that while the Anglosphere power-elite families behind the EU and similar centralizing schemes are pushing the world toward global governance, a number of powerful trends are shoving in the opposite direction.

The EU may, in fact, wish to assert domination in Greece and Spain and elsewhere but the numbers are making it increasingly unrealistic for Brussels to insist on punitive sanctions without further inflaming citizens in these countries.

But with the economy heading for recession, Spain's deficit commitments of 6 percent for 2011 and 4.4 percent for 2012  based on a 2.3 percent growth in 2012  look unattainable.

Absent a war of (anti) secession, the sentiment in southern Europe may eventually turn toward further polarization rather than unification. The very tools that the Eurocrats have counted on to pursue further centralization may work against them in this era of the Internet Reformation.

Greece is showing us that citizens have limits when it comes to EU bullying. One can argue that the Greece situation has been purposefully inflamed – but there is a fine line between planned terror and unplanned chaos.

There is no doubt that the fine hand of the power elite can be seen in numerous events of "directed history" for the past 100 years or more. False-flag events have been used regularly, it seems to us, to create certain increasingly globalist results.

The difference is that these strategies are playing out on the Internet now and can be discussed and analyzed at length. The information base is building and at some point people may simply decide that the evidence as regards manipulation is so great that they will refuse to cooperate.

It is thus a fine line between what the elites can incite and what the people themselves will tolerate. This distinction will not grow any less important in the near future. The Internet is a process not an episode. Absent an effective worldwide takedown of the Internet (doubtful, in our view) these elite strategies may become more questionable over time.

Conclusion: Brussels has obviously had plans for its EU states. Our question remains, and it is one that we asked yesterday as regards Greece: What if the people themselves have a different perspective? Absent the Internet, such sentiments could not be realized. But now they can be. At least it seems so ...




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  Posted by amanfromMars on 02/16/12 10:18 AM

"Surprisingly, the IRA have been very quiet in Ireland." ... .. Posted by Danny B on 02/15/12 12:57 AM

Yes, once MI5 realised that the CIA were funding them to create entrenched divisions, things have been quieter? And once the terrorists got their snouts into the public money trough did it all change too. It is still a failed state though with zero credible leadership no matter what side of the border creating the North and the South you would reside.

  Posted by Danny B on 02/15/12 08:35 PM

"Actually, Islam requires obedience to the law of the land and loyalty to one's country"
Somebody forgot to tell the Muslims this fact.
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Germany is saddled with a huge number of Turks who have nothing to offer.
"Yet, the majority of these people are not educated and lack the qualifications required in a developed industrial society"
"A large number of unqualified migrants will seek economic opportunities in Turkish conurbations, but also in other European countries. This could pose a big challenge to Germany, which accommodates the largest share of Turks living in a foreign country"
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If Germany doesn't want the Turks, who would?
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  Posted by Summer on 02/15/12 05:45 PM

Posted by Danny B on 02/15/12 10:48 AM
DB, with the help of the internet, some basic fallacies are coming to light. In previous centuries, Europe had endless war over resources and living space. War kept population somewhat controlled. The world-improvers came up with the idea that war was caused by nationalism rather than competition for resources.
The world-improvers convinced themselves that only mass immigration would destroy nationalism. They willingly? turned a blind eye to the effects of birth control and mechanized agriculture.

Mass immigration from Islamic countries definitely destroys national cohesiveness because Islam demands allegiance to religion and not to the state. Germany has been forcefully inundated with Islamic people who have no interest in Germany as a culture.

The "Protocols" seem to call for a fracturing of nationalism so that no nationalist force would expel the jews as has been done for so many centuries.
I'm sure that the tribes see the destruction of tribal cohesiveness as a direct attack.
We see that the Greeks are burning the banks, NOT the police stations.

The Protocols may not be the guiding doctrine of today. The collectivists seem to believe that only complete homogenization will allow peace in the world. The collectivists may see the fragmentation of the U.S.S.R. to be a result of the lack of forced immigration between the various states.
I suspect that the forced immigration in Europe is an attempt to get assimilation in the proper order.
Destroy the tribes ,,, destroy nationalism,,, destroy economic independence ,,,destroy democracy ,,, destroy borders

The U.S.S.R never made much of an attempt to destroy the tribes with immigration.
The EUSSR is a follow-up attempt to perfect the process.

This is all an unnecessary process because birth-control, mechanized agriculture, and economic integration have made belligerent competition unprofitable and unlikely on the continent. The tribes have slumbered in peace for a long time.

"Mass immigration from Islamic countries definitely destroys national cohesiveness because Islam demands allegiance to religion and not to the state. Germany has been forcefully inundated with Islamic people who have no interest in Germany as a culture."

Actually, Islam requires obedience to the law of the land and loyalty to one's country. If the law conflicts with or interferes with religious observance (which, I might add, in most cases is beyond the realm of legitimate concern of an authority) then, there is an Islamic principle - Hijrat which should be adopted.

Hijrat is to migrate from a land when one is prevented from following one's faith. Having migrated, if a believer is then pursued and attacked in his new homeland, he is given permission to defend himself.

Of course, false 'conflicts' are highlighted in the West and presented as *the* Islamic view (when it is the only a few crazies who seriously hold these and Sharia imposing views). In order to heighten the clash of civilisations agenda that elites wish to manipulate.

What is culture and how does one adopt someone else's, or blend with it? Does it mean engaging in common past times such as: watching football, drinking or perhaps having a stiff upper lip? I know many indigenous 'Brits' (white British) who do not have any typical past times or cultural norms. does that make them not of British culture?

I would suggest that culture is not something that can be contrived or that can be forcibly upheld.

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Wikipedia:

"The large-scale of immigration of Turkish workers from the beginning of the 1960s was on the one hand, due to the high population growth and mass unemployment within Turkey, and on the other, due to the demand for labour in north-west Europe.[24] West Germany, like other Western European nations, began to experience a labour shortage by the mid-1950s.[25] Recruitment of workers from Mediterranean countries was one easy solution to this problem."

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  Posted by cromwellshead on 02/15/12 02:22 PM

Posted by Danny B on 02/15/12 12:57 AM
If you look at the recent actions against Hungary, you get the feeling that the EU doesn't want anyone to get out of line. Hungary wanted more control over their central bank and they got slapped down immediately.

The EMU is fighting a losing battle. They think that Portugal won't ask for the same conditions that Greece received. Spain wanted a delay and they are getting pressured. I lived in Madrid for a while to study Spanish. The people are nice but, they have a real sense of national pride.

Surprisingly, the IRA have been very quiet in Ireland. I'm not so sure that the ETA would be equally quiet in Spain. The people in Valencia are CRAZY about fire. they would light anything on fire if they got the inspiration. Check out the Falles.

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The EU is bluffing Spain. When Portugal blows, Spain can do anything that it wants.

All of the conquistadors came from an area in Spain called "Extremadura". These were men who burned their own boats so that there would be no going back. The Celts, Catalans and the Basques have a long, hard history.

I totally agree. Look at Scotland and some parts of Wales, I have never known nationalist sentiments so high. Regions of England will also follow suit. Lets be honest, once one nation of the EUSSR is booted out, or says enough and leaves, the whole house of cards will collapse.

I remember the Greek military well, they will only take so much, Spain is the same, fiery nationalism which frankly the Brusselcats do not understand.
Turkey is a key to Europes future, it is not lost on them their desire to join was rebuffed. Brussels is playing with fire, and I do not think they realise how close serious rebellion is.

  Posted by Danny B on 02/15/12 10:48 AM

DB, with the help of the internet, some basic fallacies are coming to light. In previous centuries, Europe had endless war over resources and living space. War kept population somewhat controlled. The world-improvers came up with the idea that war was caused by nationalism rather than competition for resources.
The world-improvers convinced themselves that only mass immigration would destroy nationalism. They willingly? turned a blind eye to the effects of birth control and mechanized agriculture.

Mass immigration from Islamic countries definitely destroys national cohesiveness because Islam demands allegiance to religion and not to the state. Germany has been forcefully inundated with Islamic people who have no interest in Germany as a culture.

The "Protocols" seem to call for a fracturing of nationalism so that no nationalist force would expel the jews as has been done for so many centuries.
I'm sure that the tribes see the destruction of tribal cohesiveness as a direct attack.
We see that the Greeks are burning the banks, NOT the police stations.

The Protocols may not be the guiding doctrine of today. The collectivists seem to believe that only complete homogenization will allow peace in the world. The collectivists may see the fragmentation of the U.S.S.R. to be a result of the lack of forced immigration between the various states.
I suspect that the forced immigration in Europe is an attempt to get assimilation in the proper order.
Destroy the tribes ,,, destroy nationalism,,, destroy economic independence ,,,destroy democracy ,,, destroy borders

The U.S.S.R never made much of an attempt to destroy the tribes with immigration.
The EUSSR is a follow-up attempt to perfect the process.

This is all an unnecessary process because birth-control, mechanized agriculture, and economic integration have made belligerent competition unprofitable and unlikely on the continent. The tribes have slumbered in peace for a long time.

  Posted by Danny B on 02/15/12 12:57 AM

If you look at the recent actions against Hungary, you get the feeling that the EU doesn't want anyone to get out of line. Hungary wanted more control over their central bank and they got slapped down immediately.

The EMU is fighting a losing battle. They think that Portugal won't ask for the same conditions that Greece received. Spain wanted a delay and they are getting pressured. I lived in Madrid for a while to study Spanish. The people are nice but, they have a real sense of national pride.

Surprisingly, the IRA have been very quiet in Ireland. I'm not so sure that the ETA would be equally quiet in Spain. The people in Valencia are CRAZY about fire. they would light anything on fire if they got the inspiration. Check out the Falles.

Click to view link

The EU is bluffing Spain. When Portugal blows, Spain can do anything that it wants.

All of the conquistadors came from an area in Spain called "Extremadura". These were men who burned their own boats so that there would be no going back. The Celts, Catalans and the Basques have a long, hard history.

Reply from The Daily Bell

Yes, we predicted the tribes of Europe wouldn't put up with the EU once it began to break down. The French, the Greeks, the Irish/Celts, these are national groups with historic warrior clans and we are mostly surprised that the violence has not been even worse, so far ...

  Posted by Wrusssr on 02/14/12 09:02 PM

Again, the PIIGS were lured into the trap with faux 'help' money. When the wizard's confederates consumed enough of the fiat bait,the trap door was slammed shut.

Next comes the transfer of resources to bankster front companies. Left will be people to work for Oz ad infinitim . . .provided they're needed. Their plight be damned.

The Judas goats set lose on the Iceland banks tried to do the same for Oz but, the Icelandic people -- so far -- have told the boys behind the curtain what they can do with their 'directed' debt in that country.

If the Euro thing fails, the Internet will have played a major role in it.
Its reputation for chopping bean stalks grows.http://ppjg.me/2012/02/10/the-internet-where-global-goblins-great-deceptions-and-outright-lies-go-to-die/#more-19520

  Posted by seer on 02/14/12 08:36 PM

"Free-Market Analysis: " Whatever happened to: let the buyer beware? The banks who made loans to governments did so at their own risk. The masses who has LITTLE say in the matter end up having to bear the brunt of the loan repayment pain. It does not matter what type of government, the elite always seem to cover their bets on the sweat of the serfs.

  Posted by Jones on 02/14/12 05:53 PM

As long as people can be diverted into conjecturing & arguing over nonsense then nothing much is going to "change". You are always playing by "their" rules...

  Posted by tlmartin on 02/14/12 04:57 PM

We know there is a bigger game going on. Bigger than most of us can comprehend but if I can offer some advice to the editors, stop or change some of the terms you use like ruling elite as an example. Over do the conspiracy theme and you are going to lose an interested audience.

  Posted by budwood on 02/14/12 04:50 PM

The mind set of the "powerful" seems to promote unification or its sibling, control. However, the better approach is, as your essayist observes, "turning toward further polarization". That is hopeful. The whole unity concept was flawed at the start as the very few benefited while most paid. Such is typical of the "unified" this and "united" that mind set. Better will be "break-up" of this and "secede" from that, in order to get more peaceful and less corrupt societies.

  Posted by chad2 on 02/14/12 03:56 PM

Wrong! No one is getting kicked out! Rather the stronger is enslaving the weaker within the EU family. The EU's (i.e. Hitler's) goal is to control europe, but not via military this time. They are taking down soverign states so that they can then take absolute political control over them, a political union with enourmous central power. In like manner this will happen to the world after the world wide collapse embraced by the liberals and after WWIII which is also embraced as this is the only way to get rid of that 'old constitution,' as Ruth Bedar Ginsburg called it the other day... We all become slaves... Except the Christian, he becomes a prisoner.

  Posted by alexsemen on 02/14/12 03:44 PM

  Posted by nithsdale on 02/14/12 03:30 PM

What is interesting in this matter, has been left out in this exposition.

The two "European" countries, with historical cultural ties to Islam, are now being pressured to cut back on the entitlements they have given for decades to their electorate.

It appears that both Greece and Spain are being pushed into the arms of Islam and rather quickly at that! Greece has sold most of its commercial shipping entities to MidEastern combines and Spain has welcomed the same groups to re-establish shipping companies flying under the Spanish flag. Both countries have little surveillance on their borders and have seen a remarkable uptick in Islamic immigration, mainly from North Africa and the Turkish Levant.

While you carry on about the anglosphere and the anglo elites, the Islamicsphere goes about its business building the base of the world caliphate, using the divisions in western society as a screen, hiding the real actions changing our world.

Perhaps it is time to remind you anarcho economists of one salient fact you have overlooked. The so called free market economy you laud daily, was an import from the Levant, cleverly transferred to the West via Turkish businessmen who etablished the first trading houses right in their coffee cafes in every major capital in Europe. Those "bourses" became the stock exchanges of the world, those big time gambling centers you rale about as the heart of the anglosphere! Those exchanges morphed into clearing houses enroute to their current positions as central banks in every nation in this world.

The world is being taken over not by weatern elites but by the penetration of Islam, its contract law, "sharia" in origin. The western elites would be wise to make their "piece" with the MidEastern barons and perhaps that is what you preceive but do not identify properly! I know for a fact that the non Zionist jews already have and are ready for the transition!

Reply from The Daily Bell

The first stock exchange is said to have been invented centuries ago in France. It was an auction exchange. You really have a yen to blame Islam, don't you. What world wars has Islam started in the past century?

  Posted by rossbcan on 02/14/12 01:56 PM

Anonymous Coward: "Any sanction of Madrid over failure to meet its deficit goals - potentially a fine"

a fine will REALLY help to meet that stated goal of "meeting deficit goals", so, the goal is not this.

Spain must be balking at some other aspect of "control" that is unstated.