The hosts argue that the Ontario Provincial Police (and the RCMP and Windsor police) have been secretly deploying phone and computer spyware—rebranded with the “Orwellian” euphemism ODIT, or “on-device investigative tools”—that grants investigators “godlike” remote control to activate microphones and cameras, log keystrokes, read encrypted messages, and pull photos, GPS, calendars, and bank access. They claim this was exposed through a Windsor court case involving an international auto-theft ring that the Crown chose to abandon rather than disclose the vendor, that the RCMP’s claim of only three cases since 2022 is a lie, that the tools cost around $500,000 and may be Israeli-linked spyware like Pegasus, and that data routes through a foreign vendor before reaching police. The hosts contend the OPP skipped warrants (using a general warrant), bypassed the privacy commissioner and any procurement oversight, violated Charter rights, and that ordinary law-abiding Canadians—not real criminals—are the true targets, tying it all to Bill C-22 and a Senate where Liberals appointed roughly 90 of 110 senators, leaving encryption and in-person communication as the only defenses.
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The ODIT rebrand and its capabilities: The hosts mock “on-device investigative tools” as Orwellian cover for spyware that can remotely turn on front and rear cameras, activate microphones, log every keystroke, read encrypted messages, capture screenshots, and pull SMS, photos, calendars, GPS, and bank credentials from phones and computers. They liken the predictive-surveillance potential to “Minority Report style” policing.
The dropped court cases: A Windsor case over an international auto-theft ring exposed the tools, and the Crown allegedly chose to abandon the prosecution rather than disclose the vendor, letting suspects walk to keep the spyware secret. They cite a similar Brampton drug case where the Crown relied entirely on ODIT-obtained evidence.
Cost, scale, and the Pegasus question: The RCMP told the Toronto Star the ODITs have only been used in three cases since 2022, which the hosts flatly call a lie, and insiders peg the cost at roughly $500,000. They speculate the vendor could be Pegasus or another Israeli intelligence-linked firm marketed to governments for counterterrorism, though nothing is confirmed.
No warrant, no oversight, Charter violations: Police allegedly used a general warrant to deploy the tools rather than the separate warrants Canadian jurisprudence requires for phones and computers, while skipping privacy consultations and procurement checks for years. The hosts argue this breaches Charter rights to freedom of expression, association, privacy, and protection against unreasonable search and seizure, and sweeps up communications with doctors, lawyers, children, and partners.
C-22, the captured Senate, and defunding the police: The hosts warn that Bill C-22 will worsen surveillance, noting the Liberals hold a House majority and appointed roughly 90 of 110 senators, leaving “no debate, no pushback.” Len declares he is now in the “defund the police” camp, saying policing has become a “farce” that ignores drug rings and armed crime while targeting ordinary citizens, with encryption and offline communication as the only remaining defenses.
